He twirls, he spins, he changes the past...

Among other distortions, he claims the Israeli study was "vegetarian Atkins"...and that it's pretty much what he's always advocated.

How many ways can you possibly admit you were wrong all along without actually saying it? Apparently, quite a few.

This one made me laugh. Ornish saying this!


I think we need a little more representation in the comments. Our side starts out strong, but some of the "others" come out of the woodwork towards the end. I was heartened to see as many supporting high-fat, low-carb diets as there were. Four years ago when I started this, the comments would have been almost uniformly negative with all of our kidneys asploding and hearts stopping from all the fat. We have made progress.


Plane

Oh... I represented.

Quite a few doctors posting there, including our dear Dr. Feinman.

Quote "The diet wars are not over. They have, in fact, entered a very hostile phase. It is widely quoted that there are three stages to a new idea: 1) This is wrong, 2) there is nothing new in this, and 3) we thought of this first. The pervasive low fat establishment has now adopted all three simultaneously. If you try to publish a small carefully controlled experiment showing a strong benefit to low carbohydrate diets, you are likely to have the paper rejected because of 1) and 2), sometimes in the same review. On the other hand, even the American Diabetes Association has now given a very weak endorsement to low carbohydrate diets for weight loss, undoubtedly hoping to invoke 3) as time goes by. This is not to say that they have given up on 1) and 2), even though carbohydrates would seem especially undesirable for people with diabetes. Most scientists do not like conflict but the ADA’s guidelines include the following statement: “Sucrose-containing foods can be substituted for other carbohydrates in the meal plan or, if added to the meal plan, covered with insulin or other glucose-lowering medications.” Them’s fightin’ words."

He twirls...he spins...he doesn't know the difference between humans and gorillas....LOL

Good going, Dr. Feinman

I saw this on Dr Eades blog, but it was originally in the comments section of the NY Times:

“Ornish is like a squid expelling ink in a panicked attempt to escape the cold-blooded shark of science.”

I feel sorry for Dr. Ornish. To have built yourself a career based on a lie ..... <feels sorry>

Ok that's over. Hang the jerk! To err is human but to admit it takes a greater man that he is obviously.



OH and you didn't quote the entire thing I like the rest as well

"Ornish is like a squid expelling ink in a panicked attempt to escape the cold-blooded shark of science. His other ploy is to lie on the ocean floor and try to look like a rock…and then issue press releases claiming he was a rock all along."

LOL! Oh thanks for the laugh.

Surely some place in the public record there is a statement by Dr. Ornish about how much fat he recommends. I hope someone can provide a reference/link so it can be posted to the NYT comments to refute these posts there by Ornish’s minions. The big issue is the 10% fat limit that is often repeated in reference to Ornish’s diet. (My bolding)
Help? anyone?

I was amused by the "Ornish Hen" comment.

"Dean Ornish
The Life Choice Diet
The Life Choice Diet is a low-fat vegetarian way of eating with less than 10% calories from fat (for most people, this would be a diet with 15 to 25 grams of fat per day). The focus is on beans, fruits, vegetables, and whole grains, with processed foods and nonfat dairy products consumed in moderation. Simple sugars and alcohols, like fat, are to be avoided."
http://www.fatfree.com/diets/ornish.html

"If you stick to this plan, you will meet Ornish's recommendation of less than 10% of your calories from fat, without the need to count fat grams or calories. Ornish suggests eating a lot of little meals because this diet makes you feel hungry more often. You will feel full faster, and you'll eat more food without increasing the number of calories."
http://www.webmd.com/diet/ornish-diet-what-it-is

"My colleagues and I at the nonprofit Preventive Medicine Research Institute and the University of California, San Francisco, have studied for more than three decades the effects of diets much lower in fat (10 percent) than the one used in NEJM study as well as lower in refined carbohydrates and higher in fruits, vegetables, whole grains, legumes and soy products." - Dean Ornish
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-de...r_b_113366.html

I loved that quote also. Dr. O is a blooter and a pinhead, right Mr. O'Reilly. How can anyone take a person of "scuience" seriously if he doesn't respect those in his profession. I strongly feel that he just loves the sound of his own voice and that his family of followers just builds his ego to the point where he doesn't even care that he has no clue...he is going to defend his clulessness to the complete and utter death. I can't stand him!!!

Dr. Ornish you are wrong!!!

Ornish has a revenue stream to protect, and I think that is what its all about with him. Well, that and celebrity.

Exactly! That's what these diet wars are really about, diet book authors trying to protect their incomes from diet books. That's why Sally Fallon snipes at Cordain, Cordain returns fire, Ornish swipes at everyone who promotes low carb. It's kind of funny really.

I'll still take ornish over mcdougall... well..ok...ideally I'd put them both in a boat and set them out to sea..