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Old Wed, Jun-03-20, 04:39
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Default Healthy people shouldn't take daily aspirin to prevent heart disease

Healthy people shouldn't take daily aspirin to prevent heart disease (Or cancer either)

https://apple.news/ALeZVGu6iRNa1dHutL-ESsA CNN news

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Still taking a daily aspirin to ward off heart attacks? You might want to think again, according to a new review.

Aspirin is still one of the most commonly used medications in the world, even though it's no longer recommended as a preventative by many health authorities. There is no evidence that low-dose aspirin ó less than 325 milligrams a day ó should be taken by most adults in good cardiovascular health, according to a new review of existing research that published Wednesday in the British Journal of Clinical Pharmacology.

The review, which focused on the risks and benefits of low-dose daily aspirin, found that the risk of a major bleeding event as a result of the drug's blood-thinning effects outweighs the benefit. US guidance on a daily dose of aspirin changed last year, with the American College of Cardiology and the American Heart Association recommending daily aspirin only for patients who have had a heart attack, stroke or open heart surgery. Advice in the United Kingdom is similar.

This latest analysis, which looked at 67 studies, found that use of low-dose aspirin in people without cardiovascular disease was associated with a 17% lower incidence of cardiovascular events such as heart attack or stroke. However, it was also associated with a 47% higher risk of gastrointestinal bleeding and a 34% higher risk of bleeding in the skull.

"Our paper confirms that there is no evidence for taking aspirin in primary prevention, i.e. in healthy people," study authors Dr. Lee Smith, a reader in Physical Activity and Public Health at Anglia Ruskin University in the UK and Dr. Nicola Veronese, a geriatrician at University of Palermo in Italy, said in an email. "The take home message of our paper is that low dose aspirin is (only) good when you already have a cardiovascular condition." The authors also looked at research that supported the use of aspirin in preventing cancer but said that their review discouraged the use of low-dose aspirin in this scenario.




Yet another Study, John Ioannidis is one of the authors, A meta analysis:

https://bpspubs.onlinelibrary.wiley....1111/bcp.14310
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Old Wed, Jun-03-20, 06:34
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Once again we have a study that demonizes aspirin
Pharmacists regularly recommend Tylenol instead
Yet people regularly overdoes and die from Tylenol
I have not read of people regularly dying from taking too much aspirin
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Old Sun, Jun-14-20, 03:28
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Aspirin is an NSAID and so, blood thinner. There are long range risks from daily use.
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Old Sun, Jun-14-20, 08:42
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Once again we have a study that demonizes aspirin
Pharmacists regularly recommend Tylenol instead
Yet people regularly overdoes and die from Tylenol
I have not read of people regularly dying from taking too much aspirin

Tylenol caused liver damage. It can be irreversible and without a function liver, you will die.

Aspirin can cause stomach bleeding. This is not life threatening as if caught is reversible.

Actually, the best approach is to not take any OTC medication unless absolutely needed, and then take the lowest dose that is effective.

So taking aspirin to prevent a heart attack when I have a healthy cardiovascular system was never even a temptation for me.

Bob
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Old Sun, Jun-14-20, 09:05
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My father died if a stomache bleed.....while in ICU.

Eating specific foods also "thins out blood", look at those that are contraindicated while taking aspirin.

Id rather eat my veg than take a low dose adpirin.
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Old Sun, Jun-14-20, 10:35
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Originally Posted by Benay
Once again we have a study that demonizes aspirin
Pharmacists regularly recommend Tylenol instead
Yet people regularly overdoes and die from Tylenol
I have not read of people regularly dying from taking too much aspirin
i wonít even have Tylenol in the house. Itís a very fine line between a therapeutic dose (which does absolutely nothing to relieve pain for me) and a fatal dose.
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Old Sun, Jun-14-20, 13:55
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The daily aspirin as one doctor told my mother once, is a baby aspirin, not a full strength aspirin.

But if you want to thin your blood, Vitamin E does it.
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One of the reasons why people get bleeding stomachs from taking daily aspirin is because they take it with an empty stomach and not with food

That's why manufacturers have given it enteric coating - to prevent bleeding for those who won't follow instructions.
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i wonít even have Tylenol in the house. Itís a very fine line between a therapeutic dose (which does absolutely nothing to relieve pain for me) and a fatal dose.


Likewise. If I am forced into a decongestant or something I get it without the acetaminophen.
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If you really want to help your cardiovascular system, for most of us, a brisk, 3 mile per day walk will do much, much more than a baby aspirin could ever do.
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If you really want to help your cardiovascular system, for most of us, a brisk, 3 mile per day walk will do much, much more than a baby aspirin could ever do.


What do you suggest for those of us who cannot physically do a "brisk 3-mile walk"?
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What do you suggest for those of us who cannot physically do a "brisk 3-mile walk"?


A C Reactive Protein test can tell you the level of inflammation in your body. That's far more useful to know than an iffy cholesterol test.
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Old Tue, Jun-16-20, 08:38
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What do you suggest for those of us who cannot physically do a "brisk 3-mile walk"?

Both being not a doctor and not knowing your limitation I'd suggest swimming, a stationary bicycle or whatever kind of exercise you can do.

I do empathize with you though. Over 15 years ago I had bursitis in my hip so bad I couldn't walk 2 blocks without sitting and couldn't even drive without a blue-ice pack behind my hip.This went on for a few years until a doctor prescribed the "Arthritis/Bursitis Diet" and now I even walk 4 miles sometimes in about an hour, but at least 3.

I'm lucky, my disability was curable with diet.

I'm about 99.999999999% better. If I drive for about 8 hours and only stopping for fuel I'll feel a little discomfort in that hip. Not pain, just a slight reminder.

Also I had arthritis in a basketball injured finger that is completely cured. It was so bad I skipped playing G# notes on my saxophone. Which is tricky because I play music for a living and sax is my main instrument. Now there isn't even a remembrance of the former pain.

I don't know what your limitation is, but if it's possible, talk to your health pro and find out what kind of exercise is available to you.

If not, do whatever else the doc suggests in the form of meds.

That's my non-professional suggestion - always check with your doc first.

Bob
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I also canít walk too far. The bone-on-bone osteoarthritis isnít really curable by anything other than knee replacement surgery which I prefer to avoid. I can manage up to about a mile but then the pain gets to me. My knee has been a lot less painful on a day-to-day basis since going keto, to the point where Iíve even considered trying to walk more. But that would also mean needing walking shoes, and being fitted for good walking shoes would require going to a store, and Iím currently avoiding stores at all costs!

My exercise of choice for many years was lap swimming but thatís out for now in this current Covid environment. Iím currently just jumping on my rebounder (which doesnít hurt my knee) and following YouTube videos to do some mild weight training.
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The daily aspirin as one doctor told my mother once, is a baby aspirin, not a full strength aspirin.

But if you want to thin your blood, Vitamin E does it.



K1 contributes too,( not K 2 though.)
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