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Old Wed, May-27-20, 16:20
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Let's stop referring to the problem as a "food addiction" and call it what it is. It's NOT food addiction. It's SUGAR addiction. When addicts stick with foods that contain little or no sugar (or the precursors to sugar: simple carbs) their addiction can be controlled!

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I couldn't agree more. This is exactly the point of my initial post in this thread.

Carb addiction, sugar addictrion, ose addiction, or any particular substance addiction I can deal with, but when you say "Food Addiction" the term is meaningless, because all animals are addicted to food. Without it we will have withdrawal symptoms and then die.

I am hopelessly addicted to food, air, and water, and I'm not giving these up.

Let's stop calling it food addiction because it's just plain wrong.

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I've had an unhealthy relationship with food for most of my life. In the past it was fueled by carbs - grains & sugar. After I started eating low carb I STILL overate & binged - but on "healthful" low carb foods - beef, chicken, rabbit, bacon. It took me years to see that this was just as unhealthy for me as eating grains & sugar.

I've been in OA for a long time & while they call over- & under-eating a disease, they don't call it an addiction (tho many individuals in the program do). The disease is an unhealthy relationship with food: Why do I over-eat?

Once I grappled with the "why" I was able to have a more balanced diet with more low carb vegetables & less meat. I still binge on occasion, especially when I'm upset about something, but for the most part I eat abstinent low carb, medium protein, high fat meals.
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Old Thu, May-28-20, 17:36
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Overeating disease, I'd agree with that. Carb addiction, I can go with -- as you know from the keto flu you do get withdrawal when you quit carbs.

Food addiction I do not agree with. It's an abuse of the term addiction. Of course we're addicted to food.

I think many people indulge in recreational eating.

I worked on cruise ships for 3 years as an entertainer. When something happened that caused the passengers to be bored, they fed them.

Long days at sea - feed them. Missing a port due to weather - feed them.

It's really a great way to conquer boredom. But it isn't the healthiest way to do so.

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I worked on cruise ships for 3 years as an entertainer. When something happened that caused the passengers to be bored, they fed them.

Long days at sea - feed them. Missing a port due to weather - feed them.


I've been reading stories about people who descend on buffets like invading armies, loading up plates and stuffing food into pockets and bags.

From what I gather, cruises are like Vegas at sea.
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Old Fri, May-29-20, 09:01
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I've been reading stories about people who descend on buffets like invading armies, loading up plates and stuffing food into pockets and bags.

From what I gather, cruises are like Vegas at sea.

Definitely like Vegas at sea.

Except there is no need to stuff food in pockets or bags, as the cabins don't have refrigerators, and there is never a shortage of food.

The ships don't charge you enough for the food, upkeep and fuel. They make their money in drinks, tours, and especially the casino. The musicians room near the rest of the staff, and a casino dealer once told me, "They come in with a certain amount of cash to lose, and they won't stop gambling until they lose it all."

As a non-casino staff member (musician) I wasn't allowed to gamble in the casino, or even go in there. But that's OK with me, as I am not fond of gambling anyway. I know the odds are in the "house's" favor and they will give you 4 and take away 5. I went on the ship to make money.

I could have gambled in port, but I didn't. Instead I saw the sights and met other musicians. I learned a lot about how to play Salsa music from guys in Puerto Rico and I returned the favor helping them with North American music.

Before COVID I had occasional gigs in one of those Native American Reservation gambling casinos. The casino staff was really always nice to us, went out of their way to help us, and it paid well. But playing in a small, open bar with a dozen chairs around us but surrounded by beeping, clanging, flashing slot machines is a bit surrealistic.

We mostly entertained guests who didn't really gamble but their spouses did.

We found out quickly that the gamblers are also listening and even applaud after songs they like, but it's still weird. I hope we get to go back after COVID.

Oh, back on the thread.

The casino also feeds the staff. We don't eat when we perform, for vocals and wind instruments it's an air space thing. So they send us home with uncooked steaks. Mmmm they are good too.

So the money and the steak, what is it all for? To feed my food addiction. I can't live without it.

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