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Old Fri, Mar-06-20, 09:46
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Blowing acetone just after working out gives you a data point. Try doing it nowhere near your workout on the day after pizza.


I happened to do that today. Last night I had slices 5 and 6 of the leftover pizza with extra hamburger. I blew 4.1 mmol before working out this morning.

Tonight I'll have slices 7 and 8, with extra hamburger. Tomorrow I'll blow before and after working out, and report the results. My Saturday and Sunday workouts take about an hour each.

Saturday will be a normal low carb day, no pizza. Sunday I'll also blow before and after working out and report the results.
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Old Fri, Mar-06-20, 10:32
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The fact that the pizza is actually lasting you this long might be a good sign, aside from the whole ketone issue. I've never had leftover pizza last me past the next morning.
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Old Fri, Mar-06-20, 10:40
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The fact that the pizza is actually lasting you this long might be a good sign, aside from the whole ketone issue. I've never had leftover pizza last me past the next morning.


I hears ya

That summer ice cream was the first out-of-keto thing I ate after months of high gear low carb. I was on alert for cravings. Didn't have any. Still, was months before I had any other deliberately high carb stuff.

That's how dangerous I regard this particular "indulgence." I just remember that, from some people's point of view, I have treats every day.

Bacon is the new candy.
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Old Fri, Mar-06-20, 10:45
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IDK, If I am an alcoholic, do I really want to flirt with trying a drink here and there an not having it lapse back into full blown alcoholism? That would be me with carbs...

Not that I ever gorged on carbs but just putting them back into rotation would make it normal again.

I use to wonder why I was gaining weight but I really didn't eat that much. Now I know, it's the carbs. And since our bodies really doesn't need them like it needs protein, I just focus on protain now. A carb is a cheat and I have to keep it like that in my brain.
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Old Sat, Mar-07-20, 06:48
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End Feb/March 2020

KX=Ketonix, NC=Net Carb, LBS=English Pounds, Act=(Type-Intensity[1-10])

Date - Kx - Nc - Lbs - Act
0222 - 54 - 06 - 221 - Snowboard,KiteSnowboard-8
0223 - 60 - 15 - 221 - KiteSnowboard-7
0224 - 58 - 18 - 220 - KiteSnowboard-6
0225 - xx - 16 - 220 - KiteSnowboard
0226 - xx - 22 - 220 - None
0227 - 47 - 00 - 220 - Low
0228 - 63 - 16 - 216 - None
0229 - 71 - 00 - 217 - KiteSnowboard-8
0301 - 54 - 546 - 213 - KiteSnowboard-5
0302 - 77 - 20 - 220 - KiteSnowboard-6
0303 - 60 - 18 - 224 - KiteSnowboard-7
0304 - 52 - 14 - 224 - Low
0305 - 53 - 14 - 222 - Low (4 day post correlated light eczema )
0306 - 62 - 16 - 218 - Low
0307 - 61 - xx - 217 -

Firmly in Ketosis and weight slips back down. I see that the 213 was artificial low after day of water fast looking back. I suspect I'll land around 216 and be stable there for a while. I'm still kind of in weight loss mode - if it happens - around 210 at ice out on our lakes would be a good foiling weight.

In the meantime dietary mild ketosis for me I'm fortunate I'm not like an alcohol addict with carbs. How do I know this? I was severely addicted to alcohol and the mood altering effects it produced. For me comparing carb addiction to alcohol addiction is like comparing the moon to mars - they are in the same solar system but, to a significant degree, different. Each with its own set of unique horrors no doubt.

PS, I think our bodies DO need "carbs". So much so that they make them internally for particular metabolic functions as I understand it. But that doesn't mean you have to eat any The body is a sublime survival machine for it's brief incarnation and duration on this planet we call Earth.
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Old Sat, Mar-07-20, 08:17
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I think I'm actually more addicted to not eating carbs than eating them at this point. Times when I've tried carb ups etc., I couldn't wait to stop. Haven't risked pizza though--always things like navy beans, rice etc. Plain foods, no added fat. I stopped experimenting with that when lentils seemed to make the world a bleak place--schizo-paranoia, people are coming to kill me type feelings, but I don't know if it was the lentils themselves, or if I was just enough days into eating high carb that by the time I got to the lentils, they pushed me over the edge. I'm addicted to not feeling like that.
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Old Sat, Mar-07-20, 10:51
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Had slices 7 & 8 of the pizza last night, along with about 7 oz of hamburger. Woke up this morning and blew a 6.1 on the meter.

Lifted about 22,000 lbs with free weights for about 75 minutes. It was 1.1 about halfway through the workout, and 0.5 when I was done. This was with nothing to eat since dinner last night.

Why would my ketone levels go down after exercising on an empty stomach?
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Old Sat, Mar-07-20, 10:52
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Why would my ketone levels go down after exercising on an empty stomach?


You used them up?
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Old Sat, Mar-07-20, 17:07
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I get same kind of results. Acetone after vigorous activity
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Old Sun, Mar-08-20, 06:45
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One more thing Paul that I notice. If I let my meter heat up (like forget that I plugged it in - today) for a long time the result is almost always lower than I'd expect. Too much variability with the breath stuff I think to be very meaningful - at least for me. I'm going to invest in a blood meter and redo some over-carbing testing at some point I think. Maybe even some experiments with eating ONLY sugar and not mixing with fat. That will be gross but, hey, "for science" right?

laterz,

March 2020

KX=Ketonix, NC=Net Carb, LBS=English Pounds, Act=(Type-Intensity[1-10])

Date - Kx - Nc - Lbs - Act
0301 - 54 - 546 - 213 - KiteSnowboard-5
0302 - 77 - 20 - 220 - KiteSnowboard-6
0303 - 60 - 18 - 224 - KiteSnowboard-7
0304 - 52 - 14 - 224 - Low
0305 - 53 - 14 - 222 - Low (4 day post correlated light eczema )
0306 - 62 - 16 - 218 - Low
0307 - 61 - 14 - 217 - KiteSnowboard-8
0308 - 41 - xx - 216 -
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Old Sun, Mar-08-20, 10:10
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Teaser makes an excellent point about accuracy comparisons of strips, breath meters, and blood meters. This is why I use the blood meter. Once you establish a baseline by understanding how you react to keto foods, you don't need to use it so often. The meter I use now is the Keto Mojo. Strips are less expensive.

Also, my infrequent consumption of the carb foods I used to crave like pizza or fried clams (yes, I'm a transplanted coastal New Englander) are never as good as my memories. That's why it's so easy to do my infrequent one and dones when I go off the grid. Usually, it's "what was I thinking?!?" Then I'm right back to today's normal.
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Old Sun, Mar-08-20, 10:20
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Thanks Rob. Iíll check out keto mojo
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Old Sun, Mar-08-20, 10:55
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Had normal LC meals yesterday. No more of the P word.

Woke up and blew a 9.0 on my breath keto meter. Had a bullet coffee and started my workout. Did about 5000 lbs of squats and blew a 6.9. Did about 5000 lbs of deadlifts and blew a 5.0. 15 minutes later I blew a 3.3.

So my breath ketones decrease as I'm working out, and continue to decrease after the exercising is done.
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Old Sun, Mar-08-20, 15:43
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Thanks Rob. Iíll check out keto mojo

Good luck, Thud. There may be others since I bought it, but the strips are the real cost here, so use that in your comparison. Some strips for ketones have been unbelievably high in cost. Meters should be a reasonable one-time cost.
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Old Mon, Mar-09-20, 08:29
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Low carb all day yesterday. Woke up 2 pounds lighter when I weighed myself this morning. No surprise there.

My hypothesis is if I have a cheat meal for dinner, I'll still be in keto the next morning but will be retaining about 2 pounds of water from the carbs.
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