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Old Sat, Jan-11-20, 11:48
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Good discussion. I look at this as a chicken/egg situation, obesity is a symptom. One can develop IR and then become obese. One can be obese and then develop IR. One can develop IR and not gain weight but experience increased inflammation. I call this the "silent killer." Either way, there are indicators that IR or Metabolic Syndrome is present. As a former carb addict who was rapidly developing IR, all I know is when I made corrections, all of it went away.


I agree 100%.

A side note- during pregnancy, insulin resistance is a real nightmare. Part is due to hormonal changes, part due to increased weight. So yes, even a healthy gain during during pregnancy causes IR.

But I also know IR increases weight gain.

So yes, it is chicken or the egg IMO and the research on this subject that is basis for insulin dosing in the US.
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Old Sat, Jan-11-20, 11:55
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But after ONE cashew made me nauseated for two days, a light went on. I could eat that carb level (9 grams) in raspberries with no problem at all, provided those are accompanied by heavy cream or at the end of a meal.

I could see it's not just the carbs. It's also their source, and what else comes along for the ride.


I have found the same
For me I can equivalent number carbs from say veggies and Greek yogurt. Veggies, my blood sugar won’t budge for 6g, but a Greek yogurt raises me about 20-30 points. I often use it to treat a mild low!

And I think while certain foods have reputation for this (like whey protein does), others seems to vary by individual. For example, Meme mentioned with peanuts, I can eat a can without needing more insulin......

Hi Meme
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Old Sat, Jan-11-20, 12:57
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Meme mentioned you would have to eat 96 peanuts to equal 4 oz of steak and you are saying that 44g of carbs would not raise your BS.
OK if you say so.............

No response of the missing vitamins, nutrients and amino acids like B-12 and Folic Acid.

You do know that most all of us eat meat, right?

So what is the point you're trying to make, I'm confused as to how your hating of beef has anything to do with the topic of fat shaming?
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Old Sat, Jan-11-20, 13:37
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Meme mentioned you would have to eat 96 peanuts to equal 4 oz of steak and you are saying that 44g of carbs would not raise your BS.
OK if you say so.............

No response of the missing vitamins, nutrients and amino acids like B-12 and Folic Acid.

You do know that most all of us eat meat, right?

So what is the point you're trying to make, I'm confused as to how your hating of beef has anything to do with the topic of fat shaming?


As with many long threads, this one veered off topic to the relationship between obesity and IR. I was speaking to that, which is why I didn’t reply to the nutritional quality of peanuts vs steak. I think steak is a very healthy food. But that had nothing to do with my point related to I how different foods impact blood sugar.
Obviously I realize most here eat red meat. I don’t. No need to discuss it further.

Back to the original topic, fat shaming is mean and it is ineffective. Don’t do it.
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Old Sat, Jan-11-20, 20:45
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Back to the original topic, fat shaming is mean and it is ineffective. Don’t do it.
It is often worse than ineffective; whenever I was strictly keeping to a difficult diet and exercise regime but not losing, one shaming comment from my mother or a "friend" would trigger a binge, giving up whatever diet I was on and cause me to gain even more weight.
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Speaking of "limited," I have eliminated these categories from my food:

sugar
soy
grains
legumes

severely limited these:

nightshade vegetables (tomato sauce testing in progress)
high sugar fruit (paired with cheese at parties if need be)
vegetables because of fiber in all its deadly forms (I can top my BBQ pork with a bit of coleslaw - homemade dressing)

leading to cries of what do you eat? and the answer is "meat, with condiments like high fat dairy and occasional low sugar fruit"

And yet I don't feel deprived at all. The food is delicious, satisfying, and makes me feel good. While keeping my autoimmune issues in remission.

I was approaching my own issues from the wrong angle, it turns out. I was starting at the top and trying to eliminate downward, which helped me go gluten free. This helped my digestion, and did wonders for my arthritis. But reactions I was not aware of were going on behind the scenes, invisibly, until they broke out in symptoms.

Now I am wondering if I had done further inflammation tests, like CRP, it would have tipped me off that something else is going on. My carb levels are not as strict as one would think, seeing how I blew through what I thought was my goal weight. And it might not even be weight: now I wonder if it was really a lot of inflammation and bloating and the like, all along.

A year ago I flipped that elimination strategy by only eating beef for almost a month. I gradually added in things, one at a time.

And yes, I found out there were giant categories of food that were not big in my diet carb-wise: like the low carb wrap that had gluten, a few black beans on a salad, a few fries from my husband's plate.

But after ONE cashew made me nauseated for two days, a light went on. I could eat that carb level (9 grams) in raspberries with no problem at all, provided those are accompanied by heavy cream or at the end of a meal.

I could see it's not just the carbs. It's also their source, and what else comes along for the ride.

In my case, corn can cross-react with my gluten problem, invisibly; until I have a flare-up. Those occasional beans were something my body didn't like, but I was unaware of that until I gave my system a total break from them, for long enough. These days, processed foods seem to always contain some kind of "textured wheat protein" or soy derivative: packaged stuff is off limits.

Dairy really doesn't bother me, though I hedge my bets with relatively small quantities and high quality. Fiber was the big surprise. It not only upsets my intestines, the mechanical damage seems to create inflammation, through actual injury and by not keeping certain things where they should be: leaky gut indeed.

I had to rethink everything I put in my mouth, but the benefits are incredible. I don't miss the foods I don't eat as a result.

Because they really are poison to me.


Over the years, I have found it's helpful to pay attention to physical symptoms to decide on whether foods are bad or good for me. For the ones that cause inflammation but no definite reaction, I track my weight twice a day. Night time weight readings will indicate retained fluid from foods that cause inflammation. It's been a good tool in building my diet.
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