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Old Mon, Aug-27-18, 13:40
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Not just poison, PURE Poison.... lol
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Old Tue, Aug-28-18, 07:45
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Not just poison, PURE Poison.... lol




I'm loving the coincidental wordplay

The PURE study

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PURE researchers collected self-reported dietary data from 135,335 people in 18 countries, and grouped them according to the amount of carbohydrate, fat, and protein they consumed. After tracking participants’ health over a seven year period, researchers found that those with the highest intake of dietary fat (35% of daily calories) were 23% less likely to have died than those with the lowest intake of fat (10% of daily calories). Oppositely, for carbohydrates, those with the highest intake (77% of daily calories) were 28% more likely to have died than those with the lowest intake (46% of daily calories). [1] From these findings the authors’ main conclusion is that “high carbohydrate intake was associated with higher risk of total mortality, whereas total fat and individual types of fat were related to lower total mortality.”
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Old Fri, Aug-31-18, 02:58
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'Apologise, or you'll send Harvard into disrepute': Leading cardiologist slams professor who claimed coconut oil is POISON as talking 'unscientific nonsense'
  • Professor Karin Michels made the controversial claim in Germany last month
  • Among other things, she said coconut oil 'is one of the worst foods you can eat'
  • But Dr Aseem Malhotra, an avid supporter of saturated fats, has hit out at her
  • He asked her to apologise for her 'entirely false' claim and to publicly retract it

In a scathing video recorded for MailOnline, Dr Malhotra, an NHS cardiologist, called on her to apologise for her 'entirely false' claim and to retract it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...oil-POISON.html
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Old Sat, Sep-01-18, 06:17
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This explains the Polynesian Paradox, where indigenous peoples died by the millions by only eating fish and coconut, and were saved when Europeans introduced wheat and sugar to their diet.
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Old Sat, Sep-01-18, 08:46
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Coconut oil is more liquid in tropical climes. Less likely to clog a drain. Of obvious relevance to heart disease.
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Old Sat, Sep-01-18, 08:48
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Coconut oil is more liquid in tropical climes. Less likely to clog a drain. Of obvious relevance to heart disease.
The human body is a tropical clime compared to the 76F temperature at which CO melts.
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Old Sat, Sep-01-18, 09:35
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No fair ruining a perfectly good analogy with facts.
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Old Sun, Sep-02-18, 14:40
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I just watched the whole video, 50 minutes worth. She presents a list of "nutrition errors", only one of which is about coconut oil, and fats in general. Some are quite reasonable, others (as I have learned from this board, and other places over the last few years) are just the "same old, same old" that we know to be wrong.

Error #1 Coconut oil, and other fats
Error #2 Superfoods: are they worth it?
Error #3 Brown sugar is better than white sugar
Error #4 Spinach is full of iron
Error #5 All oils are the same
Error # 6 Water is water
Error #7 Gluten free
Error #8 What was good for our ancestors must be good for us
Error #9 Are vegetarians healthier than non-vegetarians? (She is much in favor of "mostly plant foods", but doesn't seem to think one should go overboard. She is German, after all, and speaking to Germans. Can't talk too much against the Sunday pork roast!)
Error # 10 Eggs lead to high cholesterol
Error #11 Coffee is unhealthy
And then a little bit at the end on the gut biome.

The whole thing is in German, but I took notes, and if anyone asks I'll be glad to elaborate on what she said.
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Old Tue, Sep-04-18, 07:41
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Originally Posted by Demi
'Apologise, or you'll send Harvard into disrepute': Leading cardiologist slams professor who claimed coconut oil is POISON as talking 'unscientific nonsense'
  • Professor Karin Michels made the controversial claim in Germany last month
  • Among other things, she said coconut oil 'is one of the worst foods you can eat'
  • But Dr Aseem Malhotra, an avid supporter of saturated fats, has hit out at her
  • He asked her to apologise for her 'entirely false' claim and to publicly retract it


In a scathing video recorded for MailOnline, Dr Malhotra, an NHS cardiologist, called on her to apologise for her 'entirely false' claim and to retract it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...oil-POISON.html



Bet there will be NO apology. Better to let this blow over, than admit to incorrect information. Harvard is all about reputation.

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The type of fat has also been linked to dementia, by blocking the blood flow to the brain, and cancer as it contains oestrogen which fuels tumour growth.


This caught my interest. Does anyone know more on the oestregen--not all estrogens are bad from what I have read. Some block other estrogens, and apparently are protective.

There is the doctor that fed her alzheimer husband CO and had dramatic improvements, helping him to be more functional WITH the CO than without it; he did continue to decline, but the CO had a dramatic effect to improving function. Doctor thought it was because the brain could use the fat energy, while it was not able to use glucose. (Later I read that alzheimer's is being call Type 3 diabetes, in that the brain is IR and better uses fat sourced energy .
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Old Tue, Sep-04-18, 09:32
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Just curious, but what is it about water that it isn't water?
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Old Wed, Sep-05-18, 09:10
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Just curious, but what is it about water that it isn't water?


This one was aimed mostly at the Germans. Germans drink a lot of mineral water, much of it carbonated. She says that the carbonation is very bad, leading to a state of over acidity in the body, and high blood pressure. Tap water is better.
I always thought that it was the sugar in carbonated drinks that was the problem, but apparently the carbonation itself is, according to her.
It should perhaps be noted that European sparkling waters come out of the ground carbonated, ie are naturally bubbly, and are filled with numerous minerals that we often don't get enough of. Mark Sisson, of Mark's Daily Apple, recommends Gerolsteiner water from Germany for it's trace elements. I prefer my water bubbly, and to that end bought a soda stream some years ago. None of the added minerals unfortunately, but shipping in bottles of water from Europe seems somewhat extravagant to me.
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Old Wed, Sep-05-18, 11:20
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This one was aimed mostly at the Germans. Germans drink a lot of mineral water, much of it carbonated. She says that the carbonation is very bad, leading to a state of over acidity in the body, and high blood pressure. Tap water is better.
I always thought that it was the sugar in carbonated drinks that was the problem, but apparently the carbonation itself is, according to her.
It should perhaps be noted that European sparkling waters come out of the ground carbonated, ie are naturally bubbly, and are filled with numerous minerals that we often don't get enough of. Mark Sisson, of Mark's Daily Apple, recommends Gerolsteiner water from Germany for it's trace elements. I prefer my water bubbly, and to that end bought a soda stream some years ago. None of the added minerals unfortunately, but shipping in bottles of water from Europe seems somewhat extravagant to me.

I, too, have a soda stream and drink carbonated water frequently. I'd like to see the information regarding linking carbonated water alone to high blood pressure. I suspect this is merely a correlation, but if someone has more details, I'd be interested.
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Old Wed, Sep-05-18, 11:23
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We DO need more information on this. I see a few areas where I have more questions than answers, and this is one of them.
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Old Wed, Sep-05-18, 22:09
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I, too, have a soda stream and drink carbonated water frequently. I'd like to see the information regarding linking carbonated water alone to high blood pressure. I suspect this is merely a correlation, but if someone has more details, I'd be interested.


Considering her comments on coconut oil I am not terribly bothered about her comments on carbonated water. I like to add a pinch of pink salt to my soda stream water (Redmond's Real Salt in my case); adds a bit of flavor, and a few minerals. In Germany, where we travel every few years, I drink Gerolsteiner.
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Old Thu, Sep-06-18, 05:18
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Just curious, but what is it about water that it isn't water?


The well water for my house is well mineralized. Tastes delicious.

When talking to an Ear, Nose and Throat specialist, he cautioned about using distilled water to irrigate the nasal passages. Use sterilized water, from store or own water boiled, then add salt packets to irrigation water.
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