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Old Thu, May-10-18, 11:57
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When robbed of carbs, the body is tricked into believing it is starving and turns to fat as an alternate source of fuel.
In the process of digging into its fat stores, the body releases molecules called ketones, hence the name "ketogenic" or "ketone-producing" diet. This state is known as nutritional ketosis.

I hate this description of what it means to be LCHF/KETO; and it is so often repeated. But where did these carb-lover types get this idea from? How about this as an alternative...

When excessive amounts of carbs are consumed, our bodies are quick to respond to the emergency. It is well known that high blood glucose levels (diabetes & pre-diabetes) are damaging to the body, so our metabolism makes it the first priority to burn or store as fat any excess carbohydrates consumed. When carbs are consumed within acceptable limits the body will turn to its preferred fuel source: fat. In this process both the food that we eat and our fat stores are readily available for energy. In a fat adapted state our bodies burn both glucose and fat for stable energy all day long. The fat is released as molecules called ketones, hence the name "ketogenic" or "ketone-producing" diet. This 'fat adapted' state is known as nutritional ketosis.

IMO - my definition is just as plausible. My body didn't come with a service manual that tells me what the "proper fuel" for my body is. But through my own experiences, it sure seem like Keto is running my body on premium fuel.

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Old Thu, May-10-18, 12:47
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I like the clarification. It is far more accurate than "believing it is starving" and looking for an alternate fuel. We humans are flexible, and that's why we've been around for a few years without the risk of becoming extinct.
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Old Tue, May-29-18, 10:33
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Good podcast interview with Dr. Sarah Hallberg, much about her two studies and ketones in general on Robb Wolf:
https://robbwolf.com/2018/04/30/epi...ype-2-diabetes/
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Old Sun, Jun-10-18, 02:45
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Dr Hallberg has mentioned in recent interviews that the groundbreaking results of the one year Virta study have not been promoted by diabetes groups, shared at conferences, covered by mainstream media, etc. She is resorting to Op-Edís to get the news, a good summary of study and its implications June 5th in the Detroit News.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/o...erse/670756002/
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Old Sun, Jun-10-18, 07:02
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Dr Hallberg has mentioned in recent interviews that the groundbreaking results of the one year Virta study have not been promoted by diabetes groups, shared at conferences, covered by mainstream media, etc. She is resorting to Op-Edís to get the news, a good summary of study and its implications June 5th in the Detroit News.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/o...erse/670756002/


Somewhat along the same lines. I read a recent article in the Washington Post about the Cleveland Clinic and how it treats alzheimers and other brain diseases. There was not a single mention of low carbohydrate diets as a treatment. Brief mention was paid to healthy eating with no description of what that meant. More emphasis was put on the development of new drugs. It's very disappointing but not unexpected.
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Old Sun, Jun-10-18, 09:04
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Unfortunately, it's not surprising that what people consider the "mainstream" information sources do not support this. It would immediately erode their credibility on what they have been espousing over the past 35 or more years. "Pay no attention to current news and progress, as it's a tremendous distraction, and we're certainly on the right path." It's disappointing; yet, we're seeing incremental progress in the developing awareness of how powerful a dietary approach can be when done correctly. The constant dialog on this forum is a contributing factor, and I'm grateful for it.
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Old Sun, Jun-10-18, 14:25
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The Cleveland Clinic in Las Vegas is just traditional Western Medicine, but the one in Ohio has a Functional Medicine department. I haven't read his work yet, but the doctor there is Mark Hyman. At least he espouses food as medicine.

The more research I do into diet and the neurological disorders, the more I become aware that they can all be made better with diet and exercise changes. I attended a Dancing for Parkinson't session this week, and afterwards read that ballroom dancing is used to help AD patients.

Dr. Bredesen, Dr. Wahl and others are pushing this knowledge forward and some day soon it will make it into the consciousness of the general public.
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Old Sun, Jun-10-18, 14:58
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The Cleveland Clinic in Las Vegas is just traditional Western Medicine, but the one in Ohio has a Functional Medicine department. I haven't read his work yet, but the doctor there is Mark Hyman. At least he espouses food as medicine.


Clearly Mark Hyman was not interviewed for the article. He has a podcast on ITunes call "The Broken Brain".
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Old Thu, Jun-21-18, 11:04
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Another Virta program...delivering fresh food along with a diabetes education to patients of a Healthcare system.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/20/dia...beat-drugs.html
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Old Tue, Jun-26-18, 04:00
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Virta Health was featured in the Modern Medicine segment of the Nightly Business Report last night. I cannot find it on the NBR website yet, but on the Virta press site found a story about Sami written by the Forbes Finnish correspondent Nov 2017. https://www.virtahealth.com/press that was before the one year results were published. He is one fascinating guy, always makes for a good story. Virta is continuing to add more content to its blog, FAQs, a new resource for solid info on managing diabetes with diet.
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Old Tue, Jun-26-18, 05:58
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Virta Health was featured in the Modern Medicine segment of the Nightly Business Report last night. I cannot find it on the NBR website yet, but on the Virta press site found a story about Sami written by the Forbes Finnish correspondent Nov 2017. https://www.virtahealth.com/press that was before the one year results were published. He is one fascinating guy, always makes for a good story. Virta is continuing to add more content to its blog, FAQs, a new resource for solid info on managing diabetes with diet.
That is so great that this is getting press. There is no way to stop it once there are a few leaks in the levee.

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Old Wed, Jun-27-18, 03:30
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I found the NBR story...it is the same CNBC story, forgot these two business shows produced by same media giant, but worth a second look...

http://nbr.com/2018/06/21/diabetes-...g-pricey-drugs/
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Old Fri, Jan-04-19, 03:05
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As Dr Hallberg mentioned on the recent DD podcast, the Two Year results were about to be published and here they are:

https://www.dietdoctor.com/2-year-r...tients-thriving

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How are the Virta Health patients with type 2 diabetes doing two years into their keto coaching experiment? Just great!

That is what the researchers recently reported in an abstract for Obesity Week. The as-yet unpublished two-year results showed that the majority (74%) of the 262 patients were continuing with the program and achieving lasting and significant benefits in weight loss, better blood sugar control, lowered blood pressure, lowered inflammatory markers and improved blood lipid markers. In fact, the study showed there was a 43.2% reduction in the number of patients meeting the defined criteria for diabetes at the two-year point. Average weight loss was close to 12 kg (26 lbs).

Obesity Week Abstract: Effectiveness of a continuous care intervention for type 2 diabetes management.

A year ago, Diet Doctor reported on Virta Healthís impressive results from the first year of its study. Diet Doctor: 1-year results of the Virta Health keto study The 43% diabetes reversal at two years is impressive, albeit a little disappointing after 60% reversal at one year.

Realistically, backsliding is to be expected because it is almost always seen in long-term studies as subjects revert to old eating patterns. In short, the diet does not cure diabetes, rather evidence shows it puts it into remission. Blood sugar issues, and type 2 diabetes will likely return if people resume eating too many carbohydrates.

With results like these, shouldnít nutritional ketosis be the way all doctors approach not only the management but the reversal of type 2 diabetes? Itís yet more scientific evidence that eating fewer carbohydrates that digest into sugar will reduce blood glucose levels and reverse type 2 diabetes.
ó Anne Mullens
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Old Fri, Jan-04-19, 11:41
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The results indicate a clear ability to sustain the keto approach enabling the effective management of T2D symptoms. It's consistent with my expectations and experiences. I'm not the least concerned about not being able to "cure" T2D, as those people who haven't already will soon realize this protocol is a lifestyle change and must be a permanent change for continued benefits from improved health. We often suffer from expectations of an "easy" permanent fix from a pill or procedure when the simplest and most healthy way is right there for many. Taking pills in our modern health approach has conditioned us to expect the elimination of symptoms, but that usually comes without eliminating the root cause. Sacrificing the questionable foods we've been eating for the last 30 years is necessary, but not difficult unless one prefers the alternative.
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