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Old Fri, Mar-25-16, 01:48
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25 March, 2016

Give breakfast a miss if you want to lose weight

People wanting to shed a few pounds should ignore the oldest dieting rule and skip breakfast as there is no proof that scoffing eggs, toast, porridge and fruit first thing will prevent overeating later in the day.

Doctors have long encouraged people to consume roughly a third of their daily calories in the morning to keep their weight down but experts claim that there is little clinical evidence to justify breakfast’s reputation as the most important meal of the day.

James Betts, a senior lecturer in nutrition at the University of Bath, has dismissed the claim that “eating breakfast like a king” will kick-start the metabolism to burn more energy and prevent unhealthy food choices later on.

“The problem is that these benefits, although logical sounding, are largely assumptions based on observational studies and had never actually been tested,” he told New Scientist magazine. “I was amazed when I started looking for evidence; I thought there would be a lot.”

The concept of a healthy breakfast was introduced around the turn of the last century by John Harvey Kellogg to sell more of his cereal but since then hundreds of papers have been written claiming that skipping breakfast encourages unhealthy eating later in the day.

However, these studies are largely observational, Dr Betts explained, meaning that it is hard to determine whether people who are healthy tend to have breakfast or if they are healthy because they have breakfast.

To test the theories Dr Betts asked one group of subjects to eat a breakfast of 700 calories or more while the others had to drink only water until lunch.

The no-breakfast group ate more at lunch, but not enough to make up the 700 calories consumed by the breakfast-eaters. Similarly, skipping breakfast did not increase hunger later in the day.

Hormone tests showed that the levels of hunger were similar in both groups until lunchtime whereas by mid-afternoon the people who had eaten breakfast were hungrier.

By the end of the day the extra calories consumed by the breakfast-eaters tended to have been burnt off because this group had higher levels of physical activity, largely through fidgeting and light exercise.

Dr Betts added: “As soon as a doctor finds out that an overweight patient skips breakfast they’ll often tell them to make sure they eat it every day.

“But should we not know more about the health effects? We try not to give other health advice without evidence, so why are we more lax with breakfast?”

Previous research has shown that children who skip breakfast tend to perform worse at school than children who eat it but other factors such as lack of sleep, higher levels of poverty or neglect may also contribute.

Peter Rogers, a psychology professor specialising in nutrition and behaviour at the University of Bristol, added: “Most of us could do with eating less. Given that it’s probably the easiest meal to skip, maybe skipping breakfast occasionally could be that opportunity.”

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/healt...icle4721179.ece


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Is breakfast really the most important meal of the day?

We’re told that eating breakfast will make us slimmer, happier and livelier, but have we been swallowing a myth?


https://www.newscientist.com/articl...eal-of-the-day/

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Old Fri, Mar-25-16, 07:47
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Yep, I think we have been duped by the cereal manufacturers.
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Old Fri, Mar-25-16, 07:56
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Thanks for posting this!

Many many wonderful points that I agree with, but one of the points that really hit home was this one:
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Hormone tests showed that the levels of hunger were similar in both groups until lunchtime whereas by mid-afternoon the people who had eaten breakfast were hungrier.
I jokingly say this all the time: I suffer from a chronic illness called “I’m only hungry when I start putting FOOD in my mouth!” syndrome!

But you know what, it really is true for me! I seem to be hungrier the earlier in the day I start to eat. Since I eat only once a day, I eat as late in the day as I can and it's worked wonders!

Again, thanks for sharing the info!
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But you know what, it really is true for me! I seem to be hungrier the earlier in the day I start to eat. Since I eat only once a day, I eat as late in the day as I can and it's worked wonders!

Again, thanks for sharing the info!


And I do much better when I eat a big breakfast and a second meal mid afternoon and nothing after that. I just wronte a post in my journal about how it is the n=1 experiment that each of us are conducting that is most important, that is finding what works for you rather than relying on what works for most people.

I suffer from the same disease as Jo. Eating makes me hungry but eating a large breakfast seems to help control that hunger.

Jean
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Old Fri, Mar-25-16, 08:07
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And I do much better when I eat a big breakfast and a second meal mid afternoon and nothing after that. I just wronte a post in my journal about how it is the n=1 experiment that each of us are conducting that is most important, that is finding what works for you rather than relying on what works for most people.

I suffer from the same disease as Jo. Eating makes me hungry but eating a large breakfast seems to help control that hunger.

Jean
You are spot on when you said it is the n=1 experiment that each of us are conducting that is most important.

This really is a unique journey we are on... we have to find what works for us personally and stick to it in order to receive the benefits!

Jean, I think a lot of us suffer from that chronic disease!
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Old Fri, Mar-25-16, 08:48
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Good dialog on this. I was one who treated breakfast as the most important meal of the day in the past, and now I rarely eat it. My eating clock has been adjusted to later in the day and encompasses only two meals. I could see where I could move it sooner and have what is called the traditional breakfast in the morning and then a meal early afternoon. I think that could work for me as well, but due to my schedule, it's easier to get right to work early in the morning with only a coffee or tea and stop for food later in the day. Now it's really only two meals for me and sometimes one. Snacks? I never consider them anymore.

These observational studies tend to make pronouncements without really knowing the whole story about the subjects. For example, how many had healthy dinners the previous evening? What are they feeding them during meals that might stimulate a replenishment of blood sugar later or not? Too many questions, and what we know is that eating healthy whole foods without processed carbs tends to dampen the appetite. We know this through our own N=1s!!!
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Old Fri, Mar-25-16, 08:50
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I think this probably needs a longer study. If this was in rodents, nobody would take it that seriously unless the animals were given at least a week to acclimatize to the new eating pattern.

I've tried skipping dinner instead of breakfast--I didn't like it, it was harder, and I didn't do it long enough to be sure whether it was going to grow on me or not. So I'm not sure if I can trust my own anecdote.

Also, because breakfast is probably the most often skipped meal to start with--previous experience skipping breakfast might have an effect on the outcome.
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Old Fri, Mar-25-16, 12:25
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I started skipping breakfast to break a stall, but I called it intermittant fasting - extending my nightly fast to 17-18 hrs. Some days I wind up eating less calories this way, other days not.

Dr. Fung has done a lot of research on this - I suspect that skipping breakfast has more to to with the fasting aspect (which regulates insulin and other hormones) then the lowered calories aspect as the article focuses on.
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Old Fri, Mar-25-16, 13:23
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Before I started a LCHF diet, I lost 30 lbs. just by replacing my breakfast food with coffee and a little bit of real cream. I didn't do anything else (except try to get in my 10,000 steps a day on Fitbit.)

I did this because I heard the Carb Nite guy (I think his name is John Keiffer?) say that he never eats breakfast, and he was talking about how we are more sensitive to carbs in the morning, or they are more likely to be stored as fat in the morning, or something to that effect.

It may have just been the lowering of calories overall, idk, but either way, I've rarely had breakfast since, and I'm not usually hungry in the mornings. It's worked well for me...
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My normal routine is to just have coffee with 1 tsp of MCT, CO or butter in the morning, then green tea, water and one or two cups of bone broth. If I get hungry mid afternoon I'll have a moderate sized meal and another at 6-7pm. If not hungry, I just have a big dinner.

But I can also do a big ketogenic breakfast or brunch and 0-1 more meals that day, and do this 1-2X/mo when someone else is cooking the bacon and cleaning up the spatter and greasy dishes. {However, I were eating a breakfast with more than 10 g carbs, I'd be starving and eating more the rest of the day like I did before LC}.
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My break-fast now is black coffee, water and two Brazil Nuts. Lunch is my big high-fat meal. No eating after 6 PM
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I'm on the Kruse protocol, which mandates at least 55 grams of protein and fat first thing in the morning. And it improved my condition, so I'm sticking with it.

I usually get hungry mid-afternoon, and have a moderate lunch, and often that's it for the day. But if I'm hungry, I eat.

But then, I'm struggling with a baffling and difficult endocrine disease; certainly there are plenty of people who skip breakfast without incident.
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It looks like I'm the odd duck in this group. I've fallen into a routine of 3 squares a day with no snacking between meals. I get some carbs, fiber, fat, and protein with each meal and typically eat a little more at dinner than I do the other two meals. I like a routine and I find it interesting that my body seems to get its queues from the routine. I tend to get hungry -- the subtle "real" hunger -- when it is time for a meal. By being diligent with not snacking outside of meals I no longer even think about eating until it is time for the next meal. Life happens and it sometimes messes with my schedule - but this is how I eat most days. It seems to work fine for me.

Of note: I did benefit from fasting when I was more insulin resistant. I didn't find it too difficult to do 18 or 24 hour fasts. I may do some here and there as I do realize that there may be benefit by doing so. I seem to have reversed much, if not all of my insulin resistance. My FBG is always stellar (at or around 80 - give or take a few - most everyday) and when I do post prandial BG readings from my meals, I rarely top 100.

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Old Sat, Apr-02-16, 07:13
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I eat breakfast too but usually 2-3 hours after I wake up, after my walk, and I have another meal in the late afternoon. I'm usually on a 16/8 fasting schedule but if I am hungry I will eat.

Jean
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Old Sat, Apr-02-16, 07:23
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Of note: I did benefit from fasting when I was more insulin resistant. I didn't find it too difficult to do 18 or 24 hour fasts. I may do some here and there as I do realize that there may be benefit by doing so. I seem to have reversed much, if not all of my insulin resistance. My FBG is always stellar (at or around 80 - give or take a few - most everyday) and when I do post prandial BG readings from my meals, I rarely top 100.
True, others, including myself have reversed insulin resistance and lowered FBS and blood glucose readings by fasting and it doesn't take much or for very long **

In lieu of fasting; eating two very fat dense meals-a-day (I like baked leaf lard, pork trimmings, pork belly, hog jowls or bacon with a little low-carb ketchup or tomato paste) until the readings come down, or all cravings vanish also works a treat! I suppose it's similar to the Atkins "Fat Fast" I hear about?

** See the Intermittent Fasting threads.

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