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Old Fri, Oct-18-13, 12:20
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From one of my favorite insulin links:

Beta-Cell Rest

Some studies mostly in cell-cultures and animal models have demonstrated that giving stressed beta-cells a rest can sometimes restore function. A few studies suggest this can also be done in humans.

One way of "resting" beta-cells is to use injected insulin as soon as type 2 diabetes is diagnosed, particularly if your blood sugars are very high at the time of diagnosis. If you take the burden off your beta-cells by supplementing insulin, there's some suggestion that they may recover some of their ability to produce insulin later on so that you can go off insulin and retain much better control. You'll still have to limit carbs and address any problems you have with insulin resistance through weight loss, exercise, and insulin-sensitizing drugs. But you'll have an easier time doing it.

http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/14046621.php
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Old Fri, Nov-29-13, 05:58
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With all due respect to all of you about curing diabetes. We are beating a dead horse. Yes, your phase I insulin response is gone; this is type 2 diabetes. Yes, if you decide to have hot fudge sundaes followed by a loaf of healthy whole wheat bread your blood sugars will sky rocket.

Yes, if you are sensible you can and will control your diabetes so that you don't go blind or lose a foot or all the other maladies that come with it for NOT following a proper diet program once diagnosed.

So yes cured is a bit extreme, it is not. Controlled it is.

We all know what we have to do to make sure the additional maladies of organ deterioration do not occur.

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Old Thu, Dec-05-13, 11:33
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Some studies mostly in cell-cultures and animal models have demonstrated that giving stressed beta-cells a rest can sometimes restore function. A few studies suggest this can also be done in humans.


My doctor put me on insulin a couple years ago for that very reason. She knew I was not compliant at the time and felt that insulin would at least give my pancreas a break. Although the side effect tends to be weight gain. I'm glad I listened to her though because after discovering Bernstein, I was able to reverse my insulin resistance meaning I was able to get off all meds and maintain a normal A1c (4.9) with a low carb diet. I know many diabetics who follow Bernstein and still have to take some type of meds...just less than they would if they were eating higher carb...because their pancreas just can't produce as much any more.
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Old Thu, Dec-05-13, 14:21
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My whole family has diabetes and I don't, even though I'm still fat.

I think of T2 as a response to carb poisoning that may or may not have permanent effects when one stops the poisoning. I think of it as more like a broken arm - if you pound your arm with a hammer, it will break. Similarly, if you pound your metabolism with carbs, it will break. A broken arm can heal with or without permanent effects. Same as a T2 metabolism.

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Old Thu, Jul-17-14, 05:04
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Default Type 2 Diabetes can be Cured!

This was in the first line of a story in HuffingtonPost and thought it should be added to this thread. Nothing new to us in the story, though I like her last line and title Let Food Be Thy medicine.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/linda..._b_5585712.html

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Type 2 diabetes can be cured! There! I've said it. Why, in our modern society where this disease is the seventh leading cause of death, does such a statement get suppressed from the general public? Both major health entities, medical professionals and Big Pharma, fail to get the word out that with nutritional guidance combined with patient motivation, Type 2 diabetes can be reversed. But the word is beginning to get out. Some of the prominent physicians who are in the forefront of speaking out about reversing diabetes include Dr. Joel Fuhrman, Dr. Mark Hyman, and Dr. John McDougall -- all not afraid to say the word cure. It can be done, and they have done it. Diabetes is not a bug we catch. Most of us know it's the foods we eat that create the dysfunction within, but it's the elephant in the room; some don't know what an elephant is, but most just do not want to look at it. Let me offer two main conceivable reasons why the public isn't being told: 1. Curing it involves natural nutrition (without the help of drugs), something the medical community knows about and does little with. The typical scenario is doctor discovering that the patient does indeed have type 2 diabetes, instructing the patient to lower sugar consumption, yet will need to take diabetic medications the rest of his or her life. 2. The strong-arm pharmaceutical companies want their diabetes drugs to continue bringing in billions. Advertisement spending by the pharmaceutical industry was $2.4 billion in 2011, as reported by Nielsen TV. The diabetes drug Lantus had total sales of $7.8 billion in 2013. The forecast for the worldwide diabetes drug market is $47.2 billion by 2017. This falsehood of only being able to "maintain" the disease for the life of the patient is also unfortunately perpetuated by every major diabetes organization. Upon visiting their websites -- the American Diabetes Association, The Diabetes Research Institute Foundation, Diabetic Living Magazine -- the common theme throughout is that there is no cure for diabetes. The American Diabetes Association's website (diabetes.org) proclaims, "diabetes is a chronic disease that has no cure," and "eating well-balanced meals is an essential part of taking better care of yourself and managing diabetes." Instead of advising that diabetics stop eating refined grains and sugars, the suggestion on their site is: "Save money by buying less soda, sweets and chips or other snack foods." The Diabetes Research Institute Foundation claims they are "the best hope for cure." They offer many suggestions on managing diabetes, but not how to overcome it. "There is a lot you can do to stay well and remain healthy with diabetes." The Diabetic Living website gives recipes that include refined sugar and refined flour, as well as artificial whipped toppings and the like. Even Webmd.com tells us, after all the research and advances in diabetic treatments, "there is no cure for Type 1 nor Type 2 diabetes." Being privy to successful turnarounds myself with my diabetic clients, I can say it definitely is possible. Being honest, even though it can be done by changes in diet and lifestyle, it is a struggle for many to get there, as well as a struggle to stay there; half of them will most likely revert because resistance to the outside influences and offerings of the restaurants, food manufacturing companies and supermarkets is difficult. It requires diligence and dedication to stay on the wagon for those who have been diabetic for so long, and therefore can fall off the wagon at any time. It's no different for those on the brink of diabetes currently who are continuing to eat refined foods, and soon will join the club. But when patients learn the whys of diabetes, and the horrible consequences of the disease, by rights the incentive should be there. The culprits behind the onset of diabetes are most definitely refined, processed foods. These include refined sugars, refined flours and refined oils. It's the bakery goods, the hamburger and hot dog buns, and the foods deep-fried in trans fats and additives of highly processed oils. These surround us at all times in restaurants and supermarkets, and because of convenience, we fall for it. What also contributes is a lack of fresh fruit and vegetable fiber that so many avoid in their meals. As with smoking, to quit is to quit. To cure diabetes, quitting all refined foods is a must. In various reports, there is a definite correlation between the introduction and proliferation of high fructose corn syrup, the rise in polyunsaturated fats, and the decline of animal fats, and the rise in diabetes. In 2012, over one-third of our children were overweight or obese; 80-90 percent of Type 2 diabetics are overweight or obese, which explains the recent popularity of the term diabesity. It's these influences all around us that make it so difficult to maintain a healthy body. This is why it comes back to us individually to be mindful of what we put into our bodies. The task of preparing more and more of our own foods is more important than ever. The medical community should be in the forefront of directing patients toward better, natural foods, and, if need be, advising that any diabetic contact a certified nutritionist to help guide them away from diabetes. Any doctor who is still writing the prescriptions for diabetes drugs for their patients at the onset of discovering elevated blood sugar, and not offering advice on food and nutrition, needs to refresh his or her memory of a quote from Hippocrates, considered to be the father of western medicine: "Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food."
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Old Tue, Jul-22-14, 04:52
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Another post by Dr. Mark Hyman on the same topic, with a list of tests anyone with pre-diabetes should also have:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-ma...n_b_254209.html
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Old Sat, Jul-26-14, 03:28
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Linking to a new thread in Research.
http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=461820

Dr Wortman, Dr Westman and a long list of low carb doctors, including Dr Bernstein, who just turned 80!, author a Critical Review of the Evidence for using a Low Carb Diet in treating Diabetes. Excellent summary of studies and evidence to share with your doctors or anyone who wants the science behind LC.
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Old Wed, Aug-06-14, 13:01
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I recently had blood work done for my A1c and lipid profile. At my appointment to review the results my doctor said "Wow. Wow! How did you do this?" My A1c had gone from 9.7 to 6.6, my cholesterol was 125, HDL and LDL were both good and Trig were greatly improved. I told him I did it with low carb diet and exercise. He was amazed. My greatest accomplishment was I proved to my husband that all the eggs I was eating did NOT send my cholesterol through the roof!

I am going to go back and read all the references in this thread.

I am of the belief that you can control but never cure type 2 diabetes.
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Old Thu, Aug-07-14, 02:46
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Welcome Carol!
Send your doctor this new study in http://www.nutritionjrnl.com/articl...0332-3/fulltext A good summary for health professionals.
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Yeah, there's no cure for diabetes. Only control by reducing carbs severely. Calling it remission doesn't change the fact that it is the patient's vigilance over what goes down the hatch that makes diabetes not show up on lab work. Have that patient go back to cereal and toast for breakfast, a sandwich for lunch and pasta or potatoes at dinner, and voila! There's that diabetes again!
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Old Thu, Aug-21-14, 07:43
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Originally Posted by inflammabl
From one of my favorite insulin links:

Beta-Cell Rest

Some studies mostly in cell-cultures and animal models have demonstrated that giving stressed beta-cells a rest can sometimes restore function. A few studies suggest this can also be done in humans.

One way of "resting" beta-cells is to use injected insulin as soon as type 2 diabetes is diagnosed, particularly if your blood sugars are very high at the time of diagnosis. If you take the burden off your beta-cells by supplementing insulin, there's some suggestion that they may recover some of their ability to produce insulin later on so that you can go off insulin and retain much better control. You'll still have to limit carbs and address any problems you have with insulin resistance through weight loss, exercise, and insulin-sensitizing drugs. But you'll have an easier time doing it.

http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/14046621.php


My last doctor believed this which is why I was put on insulin. However, I'm a medical advocate for a friend of mine and her specialist at the diabetes clinic believes the opposite. He said the pancreas is like every other organ. If it is not made to work, it becomes lazy and will, over time, put out increasingly smaller amounts of insulin. He put her on about 4 different meds that help produce beta cells, force the pancreas to produce insulin, make her cells more insulin sensitive and another one that will push excess sugar in the blood through the kidneys rather than letting the liver reroute it into the blood stream. I'm impressed with how well this protocol is working, given that she's chosen to eat the ADA way rather than Bernstein.

On the negative side, as long as she chooses to eat higher carb than Bernstein, she'll most likely always have to take meds, but I've noticed the doseages have come down slightly as her diet is more controlled.
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Old Thu, Aug-21-14, 07:44
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Yeah, there's no cure for diabetes. Only control by reducing carbs severely. Calling it remission doesn't change the fact that it is the patient's vigilance over what goes down the hatch that makes diabetes not show up on lab work. Have that patient go back to cereal and toast for breakfast, a sandwich for lunch and pasta or potatoes at dinner, and voila! There's that diabetes again!

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Old Thu, Aug-21-14, 08:05
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Originally Posted by JEY100
Another post by Dr. Mark Hyman on the same topic, with a list of tests anyone with pre-diabetes should also have:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-ma...n_b_254209.html


I just looked at this list and was surprised given all the reading I've done at Dr Jason Fung's blog that a fasting insulin test was not included in his list. Fung's blog has been a real paradigm shift for me - looking at (type 2) diabetes as a disease of high insulin rather than high blood sugars.
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Old Thu, Aug-21-14, 08:17
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I just looked at this list and was surprised given all the reading I've done at Dr Jason Fung's blog that a fasting insulin test was not included in his list. Fung's blog has been a real paradigm shift for me - looking at (type 2) diabetes as a disease of high insulin rather than high blood sugars.

Yup.
We are poisoned by sugar, and diabetes seems to be the only 'disease' where we call it a problem with us instead of calling the carbs/sugars the poisons that they are by unhinging our metabolisms. I would say that is a paradigm shift with this as well.
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Old Thu, Aug-21-14, 08:32
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Yup.
We are poisoned by sugar, and diabetes seems to be the only 'disease' where we call it a problem with us instead of calling the carbs/sugars the poisons that they are by unhinging our metabolisms. I would say that is a paradigm shift with this as well.


Wow, that is a really interesting way to look at it. Thanks.
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