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Default It's Not About the Calories By Gary Taubes

It's Not About the Calories
Why existing efforts to combat childhood obesity are bound to fail.
By Gary Taubes

Posted Wednesday, March 16, 2011, at 10:20 PM ET
Read about Slate's project to generate new ideas for fighting childhood obesity here.

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The past few years have seen the launch of many admirable initiatives to solve the problem of childhood obesity in America, but I'd like to respectfully suggest that these programs are, quite simply, doomed to failure. This is not because the food industry will subvert their efforts. It's not because the children and parents in this country lack the willpower to tackle this problem and certainly not because they lack the motivation. It's because the advice these anti-obesity initiatives give isn't going to help, and the science they're based on is misguided.

Take Michelle Obama's Let's Move! campaign, one of the most high-profile examples of this mistaken approach to the problem. The principles of Let's Move! sound good. Who would be against getting kids to be more physically active and eat more fruits and vegetables? But anyone who thinks that will reverse the obesity epidemic is sorely mistaken.

Beneath all the program's talk of making healthier food choices and increasing physical activity, its fundamental tenet is that we get fat because of the "overconsumption of calories." This is how the White House's Task Force on Childhood Obesity phrased the problem in its May 2010 report (PDF). And so the way to induce our children to lose weight is to get them to consume fewer calories, which they'll do supposedly by eating less-energy-dense foods, and, of course, expending more energy through exercise—hence the name, "Let's Move!"

This approach is certainly convenient. As Michelle Obama has said, it doesn't require the "demonization of any industry." All foods are OK in moderation, and the more our kids exercise, the more they can consume without getting fat. Follow this simple prescription and all will be well.

Except it won't be. For the last 60 years, physicians and public-health authorities have been giving that exact same advice to obese people—children and adults—with little or no success. When researchers have tested diets that restrict how many calories are consumed—counseling their subjects to eat, say, 500 or 1,000 fewer calories a day than they normally would—the results have been depressingly predictable. The subjects experience modest weight loss (maybe nine or 10 pounds in the first six months), and then they gain the weight right back. Weight loss doesn't last.

A conspicuous example of how these kinds of diets fail is the Women's Health Initiative, the largest and most expensive nutrition trial ever conducted. The researchers enrolled nearly 50,000 mostly overweight or obese women into the trial, chose roughly 20,000 of them at random, and instructed that group to eat a low-fat diet, rich in fruits, vegetables, and fiber. These women were given regular counseling to motivate them to stay on the diet. If we believe what these women said they were eating, they also cut their average energy intake by well more than 300 calories a day.

The result? After seven-plus years on the diet, these women lost an average of one pound each (PDF). And their average waist circumference—a measure of what the diet-book authors like to call "belly fat"—increased. This suggests that whatever weight these women lost was not fat but lean tissue—muscle. It also suggests that getting people to increase their consumption of fruits, vegetables, and whole grains is not the way to induce weight loss.

OK, so what about getting them to move more? Surprisingly, exercise is a relatively recent addition to the standard prescriptions for weight loss. Prior to the 1960s, clinicians used to argue that making an obese person exercise would just make them hungry—they'd work up an appetite—and that's the last thing you want for someone who needs to lose weight. Sure, healthy kids (and adults) are physically active, and lean kids (and adults) are more physically active than fat ones. But it doesn't mean you can turn obese kids (or adults) into lean ones just by putting them on a treadmill. Still, the idea that exercise could lead to weight loss took hold back in the 1970s—thanks in large part to the efforts of one influential nutritionist, Jean Mayer of Harvard University—and we've been hearing it ever since. By 1980, as the Washington Post reported at the time, about 100 million Americans had become active members of the "new fitness revolution … one of the late twentieth century's major sociological events."

The fact that this fitness revolution happened to coincide with the beginning of the present obesity epidemic is mostly a coincidence, but it certainly speaks to the idea that getting kids to move more is not the answer. Indeed, reviews of the efficacy of physical activity to induce any significant weight loss long-term are virtually unanimous that it doesn't. The American Heart Association and the American College of Sports Medicine pointed out this fact back in 2007, when they published joint physical-activity guidelines (PDF). As they put it, the data supporting the idea that increasing our energy expenditure will lead to weight loss—or even a slowing of weight gain—"are not particularly compelling." Making it possible for children to enjoy the benefits of physical activity is a wonderful thing, but expecting that they'll lose weight by doing so is naive.

The truth is, the conventional wisdom about why we get fat is simply wrong. It's not about energy balance; it's not about "overconsumption of calories" or "taking in more calories than we burn." It's about something else entirely: how the human body regulates fat metabolism and the accumulation of fat in our adipose tissue. This seems so obvious that it should go without saying—getting fat is a disorder of accumulating too much fat, so of course we should pay attention to how our bodies regulate fat accumulation —but this idea never managed to spread to the clinicians dealing with obesity, obsessed as they were with the notion that their patients were simply eating too much and exercising too little. (The 120-page Childhood Obesity Task Force report, tellingly, does not mention anything about how fat accumulation is regulated in the human body.) The real question to ask is why we accumulate fat—or more specifically, why our fat cells store more calories as fat than they release into the circulation to be burned for fuel.

So here is the answer: Fat accumulation in the human body is regulated fundamentally by the hormone insulin. If insulin levels increase, so does fat accumulation. If insulin levels decrease, fat is released from the fat cells and used for fuel. There's nothing controversial about this fact. You can find it in most biochemistry and endocrinology textbooks, like this one that the Library of Medicine makes available online. It's just considered irrelevant to the problem of obesity.

And here's the catch: Insulin levels, for all intents and purposes, are controlled by the carbohydrates in the diet. The more refined and easily digestible those carbohydrates (the higher the glycemic index, as nutritionists would say), the more insulin will be secreted. And the sugars we consume—i.e., sucrose, the stuff we put in our coffee, as well as high-fructose corn syrup—will cause long-term increases in insulin production.

It's been known for centuries that carbohydrates are fattening. The Frenchman Jean Anthelme Brillat-Savarin made this observation back in 1825 in The Physiology of Taste, one of the most famous books ever written about food. Restricting carbohydrates has been the theme of one wildly successful diet book after another ever since. Through the 1950s, the diets prescribed for obesity at medical school hospitals—at Harvard, Cornell and Stanford, for instance—restricted starches and sweets, allowing meat and eggs to be eaten freely. In 1963, a British Journal of Nutrition article by one of the two foremost dietitians in the United Kingdom began, "Every woman knows carbohydrate is fattening: this is a piece of common knowledge, which few nutritionists would dispute."

So what happened? By the late 1950s, the University of Minnesota nutritionist Ancel Keys was arguing that fat caused heart disease, with little to no real data to back it up. But the American Heart Association quickly threw its weight behind the idea, the health reporters of the era followed, and even Congress got on board. The evidence never came around to support the idea—as the Women's Health Initiative also demonstrated (PDF)—but with the AHA behind it, the low-fat-is-good-health dogma has dominated nutritional advice to this day. And because a low-fat diet is, by definition, high in carbohydrates, the latter stopped being perceived as inherently fattening and became known instead as "heart-healthy" diet foods.

Then, in 1980, the USDA published its first edition of the Dietary Guidelines for Americans, telling us to eat more and more carbs and less and less fat. That message also coincides with the beginnings of the obesity epidemic—and this time, it's probably not a coincidence.

So if we're serious about preventing childhood obesity in this country, we need to pay attention to what actually regulates the accumulation of fat in the human body.

That means we're going to have to demonize some industries, or at least the products they're selling. It's not enough to tell kids to eat healthier foods and make fruits and vegetables available and affordable for all, nice as that may be. We have to tell children (and their parents) that carbohydrate-rich foods—especially sugars and liquid sugars, like fruit juice and soda—are literally fattening. We're going to have to tell those kids and parents that if they don't want to be fat, they're going to have to avoid those foods. It's not a convenient message, and the food industry may not like it, but it's a message that might actually wor

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James Krieger would disagree? Whatever the mechanism low-carb apparently works very well, even in the absence of exercise or extreme portion control.
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MYTH: Carbohydrate Drives Insulin, Which Drives Fat Storage

FACT: Your Body Can Synthesize and Store Fat Even When Insulin Is Low

One of the biggest misconceptions regarding insulin is that it’s needed for fat storage. It isn’t. Your body has ways to store and retain fat even when insulin is low.
http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=319

http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=3

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James Krieger would disagree? Whatever the mechanism low-carb apparently works very well, even in the absence of exercise or extreme portion control.
But I doubt most readers here are interested in increasing fat storage.

On the whole most people are interested in releasing fat from fat cells and burning it.

Insulin locks the fat in fat cells.

Is Krieger suggesting you can “burn” fat in the presence of high levels of insulin?

Surely insulin is the fat-storage hormone, not the fat-releasing hormone.

A high carb, high sugar diet is the most effective way to keep insulin high and fat locked in fat cells.

If it was in practice the case that recommending a low fat calorie restricted diet with encouragement to take extra exercise actually worked in practice we would not now be finding obesity, metabolic syndrome, diabetes, cancer heart disease and Alzheimer's incidence rising year on year.

If you scanned the brains of each adult in the USA over 40yrs old you would be able to detect the earliest signs of Alzheimer's.

It's simply not acceptable to keep on suggesting more of the same.

If 50yrs of spouting the calories in = calories out mantra worked out in practice we would not be in the current predicament.

Only fools don't learn from experience.
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That means we're going to have to demonize some industries, or at least the products they're selling. It's not enough to tell kids to eat healthier foods and make fruits and vegetables available and affordable for all, nice as that may be. We have to tell children (and their parents) that carbohydrate-rich foods—especially sugars and liquid sugars, like fruit juice and soda—are literally fattening. We're going to have to tell those kids and parents that if they don't want to be fat, they're going to have to avoid those foods. It's not a convenient message, and the food industry may not like it, but it's a message that might actually work.

It's the first time I see Taubes telling people what to do.
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A conspicuous example of how these kinds of diets fail is the Women's Health Initiative, the largest and most expensive nutrition trial ever conducted. The researchers enrolled nearly 50,000 mostly overweight or obese women into the trial, chose roughly 20,000 of them at random, and instructed that group to eat a low-fat diet, rich in fruits, vegetables, and fiber. These women were given regular counseling to motivate them to stay on the diet. If we believe what these women said they were eating, they also cut their average energy intake by well more than 300 calories a day.

The result? After seven-plus years on the diet, these women lost an average of one pound each (PDF). And their average waist circumference—a measure of what the diet-book authors like to call "belly fat"—increased. This suggests that whatever weight these women lost was not fat but lean tissue—muscle. It also suggests that getting people to increase their consumption of fruits, vegetables, and whole grains is not the way to induce weight loss.

In spite of such gross failure of the method, it is still being prescribed all over the world.
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This whole insulin thing. Basal insulin will serve the purpose of facilitating triglyceride synthesis even during a complete fast. So yes, you can store fat. But something else with basal insulin. Taubes called insulin the "master" hormone in GCBC because of its powerful effect in the body. This might be true at higher levels of insulin, hormones that promote lipolysis and breakdown of glycogen can't win. With basal insulin, it's not the master hormone any more, much smaller amounts of adrenaline or growth hormone or whatever can counter fat accumulation more effectively. The question isn't whether triglycerides can be synthesized in fat cells while insulin levels are low, it's whether triglyceride synthesis will be outstripped by lipolysis and allow fat loss to occur.
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James Krieger would disagree? Whatever the mechanism low-carb apparently works very well, even in the absence of exercise or extreme portion


As others have said, obviously you can store fat on low insulin levels. But that is not the point,

The point is that high insulin levels severely bottleneck your ability to utilise body fat for energy.

However, calories do count for weightloss though, the science for this is complex, but the real life evidence is everywhere. Once you see how the drug DNP works for weightloss its impossible to refute that calories dont matter.
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However, calories do count for weightloss though, the science for this is complex, but the real life evidence is everywhere.
But what matters is the calories absorbed rather than those consumed which pass straight out unabsorbed. How our bodies use those calories depends to some extent on the state of our mitochondria and the nature of our gut flora.

If we want to continually renew and replace dysfunctional mitochondria we have the option of exercise, intermittent fasting and a ketongenic diet.

If we want to improve our gut flora than we have to avoid the use of anti biotics, be born naturally, be breastfed for as long as possible, we need to learn which nutritional supplements promote the health of friendly lean type gut flora and which promote the proliferation of pathogenic obese type gut flora, we also have to accept that some fibre and complex carbohydrate is probiotic, encourages bifidabacteria and that using an omega 3 rather than omega 6 based diet will be resolve rather than promote further inflammation.

Understanding how lack of sleep is pro inflammatory and ensuring we all get sufficient sleep throughout our lives would to much to reduce/delay the onset of dementia.
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It's the first time I see Taubes telling people what to do.

Yes, very nice to see Gary Taubes reveal his leftist tendencies, finally. And in a rightist magazine, no less. No doubt he had to tone down his progressivism to get published, so there is a very good possibility that he's further to the left than he admits here.

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Who?

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But what matters is the calories absorbed rather than those consumed which pass straight out unabsorbed.

Pass straight out unabsorbed.

It's remarkable how many blogger/exercisers can throw out a genius idea like "calories in, calories out", name-drop "the laws of thermodynamics", and then totally forget or try to hide the fact that "calories out" means more than exercise. It is intellectual neglect to disregard the energy passed out of the body into the toilet. Remember the ketone strips? They measure energy in urine. How much? How much food energy is wasted? Potentially great amounts, and explains entirely the ability to increase energy intake while losing body weight. I could have sworn that Atkins explained this in his book.

As a test with a ketone strips will prove, the human body--like every other animal that has ever existed on the face of the planet--wastes energy, and in many different ways. Until these blogger/exercisers start putting their feces in the calorimeter and measuring the REAL "calories out", then.
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Calories in calories out is what we're hearing night after night here at the moment with the latest season of The Biggest Loser. What hope do the general public have?
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Calories in calories out is what we're hearing night after night here at the moment with the latest season of The Biggest Loser. What hope do the general public have?


Im leaning towards the calories out part of the equation being alot more important, Taubes always mentions how the problem with fat people is they dont have proper access to thier fat mass, and I think this is very important.

Fat people usually complain of being tired all the time, but thier energy stores are overflowing and this suggests there is a lack fat being burnt.

Also there is the anecdote that in general obese people tend to find themselves feeling more energetic AFTER loosing weight, again suggesting increased fat burning.

A calorie is calorie at the microscopic level of the mithocondria, however (provided thier ADP levels are not empty, which is a physical limitation), hormones will have the next say on how much fat they are allowed access to.

Clearly, trying to manipulate the calories in side of the equation doesnt work, asking people to eat less to reduce body fat fails at every instance. Therefore we need to attack the calories out side of the equation.

A ketogenic diet is effective in this way since it allows for a hormone environment that promotes maximum fat burning.
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It's the first time I see Taubes telling people what to do.


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leftist... rightist...


He's prescribing information here, not trying on a pair of jackboots in the mirror in anticipation of being appointed to head the foundation of a Ministry of Self-Control. Just as the information about tobacco would naturally demonize the tobacco industries.
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He's prescribing information here, not trying on a pair of jackboots in the mirror in anticipation of being appointed to head the foundation of a Ministry of Self-Control. Just as the information about tobacco would naturally demonize the tobacco industries.

We agree. Taubes has taken a very slight turn to the left. It's nice to see when most of the heroes around here are ultra right.
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Taubes always mentions how the problem with fat people is they dont have proper access to thier fat mass, and I think this is very important.

Fat people usually complain of being tired all the time, but thier energy stores are overflowing and this suggests there is a lack fat being burnt.


Although my body seems to 'cycle' through varying responses to lowcarb (which is not unusual I see with others overly large but does really complicate some things), it's very easy for me to predict whether or not I will have the ENERGY to do lowcarb well let alone be more active in my life let alone actually exercise intentionally: it's entirely tied to whether or not my body is losing fat.

On the cycles when it happily does so, I am brimming with energy -- which at its 'near'-maximum cycle makes me I figure about 'normal' level energy for most people. Read: I have energy to prep/cook/clean; I have energy to go shop and put stuff up; I even have energy to do something 'a little' extra.

I can actually tell this is coming just as it arrives, in a hilariously predictable way: I'll be somewhere in the house and suddenly notice: "That is UNACCEPTABLY dirty/ disorganized!" As if I somehow never notice my surroundings until I DO have energy and then all the sudden I notice how distinctly unhappy I am with the state of my (bookshelf, kitchen cabinets, etc.).

If my body is not losing fat in that particular LC cycle, I have no energy. It is very very difficult to eat lowcarb then because I don't even have the innate energy to do the prep/cook/clean cycle it requires. I end up doing an overly simplified version, no cleaning, and pay a helper to come do the cleaning on sundays. I am highly prone to just starve, not eat or barely eat for days, and then binge on carbs.

I am guessing it requires slightly more energy to move a 400# body around than a 150# body around.

Anyway, fat loss and available energy are directly correlated, and I have done this enough times for enough years to be utterly certain of it now.

The first couple times I went LC I lost weight VERY fast and I had so much energy I was lifting weights and doing heavy landscaping in the yard. (At over 400#!) Yet there have been lots of times I've been just as LC, eating the same things, and been nearly immobile. It's totally tied to fat loss. When my body is giving it up I have energy. When it's not... I don't.

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Had that very same calories in calories out discussion ALMOST get nasty today...with a relative. You would think the fact ZThat I have lost 40 lbs on low carb and they have lost little to none on low calorie would prove my point...... aren't we all a little sick of this particular stupidity?

I applaud Gary Taubes for his efforts. Love the guy.
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As a fat post menopausal woman I thank Gary every day for his pages 89 to 92 in his book "Why we get fat"

Even on a very low carb diet I've wondered why it so hard to lose weight and curb hunger. Now I know for sure that it's not impossible to lose but why it's so difficult.
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