http://www.ted.com/talks/william_li.html

The whole presentation is interesting, but be sure to watch till the end, when he starts applying his theory to obesity. (16:44)

Interesting. I'd heard of the anti-angiogenesis theory applied to cancer, but I didn't realize fat tissue generated the same sorts of blood vessels.

He talks about the need to eat the anti-angiogenetic (?) foods before the cancer develops. Possibly the same applies with obesity? Assuming it works at all, maybe you have to start before you get fat.

Interesting how the obese rat was slimmed down by the anti-angiogenetic cancer treatment - but never below a normal weight.

Since the graphic showed the obese rat being slimmed down several times and allowed to become obese again, I'm guessing the treatment works after the subject gets fat.

Also, I don't think he said that anti-angiogenic treatment would not work after a cancer is established - he showed several cures for animals with advanced cancers - but he pointed out that it didn't always work and that preferentially the treatment should be applied before a cancer can even grow beyond the microscopic, harmless phase.

I have heard of this before but this is the most non-science type presentation I've heard or read.

Did anybody get a screen grab of the antiangiogenesis food list BTW?

How does it correlate to LC foods?

Natural health products that inhibit angiogenesis Part 1


Natural health products that inhibit angiogenesis: a potential source for investigational new agents to treat cancer—Part 2
couple of free full text papers that may be of interest.

Interesting to see Curcumin (turmeric) is inhibits angiogenesis and this isn't surprising as we know it activates the vitamin D receptor and Vitamin D also is anti-angiogenic so it's not surprising that Vitamin E (that also can activate VDR) is also Anti-angiogenic

I really don't know why Green Tea isn't the drink of choice for most people.
So long as you don't boil the water (of allow it to cool before brewing if you do) so it's OFF THE BOIL Details here and keep the brew time short. 30 seconds to at most 2 mins. then take the leaves (or bags if you must) out of the water (use a strainer) Remember you can get several mugs of tea from each bag/teaspoon of leaves. I generally use the same leaves all day, just by rebrewing with fresh water.

My understanding was that the rats were treated with a drug, not with food. I was wondering about the use of food as treatment or preventive.



Again I was talking about food. My recollection was that all of the dramatic animal stories involved treatment with anti-cancer drugs. Then he transitioned to the idea of preventing cancer with an anti-angiogenic diet, so that those tiny cancers that many of us are walking around with all unawares don't grow into a disease state.

He certainly isn't suggesting that we treat full-blown cancer with food alone or that we give anti-cancer drugs to people without diagnosed cancer. He's proposing that we might prevent, not treat, with food.

By analogy, I'm obese already. I have the equivalent of full-blown the cancer, not the tiny potential cancer. Even if the drug could reduce my weight, that doesn't mean that eating the anti-angiogenic foods would be sufficient to do so.

It seems that if we apply the analogy of cancer prevention, the food may or may not be useful in preventing obesity, but I'm sceptical that I'll grow thinner if I start eating lots of tomato sauce and strawberries. I've already reached the "disease" state; too late for prevention.

very interesting, I've been meaning to get some curcumin supplements to help with inflammation... do you think that VitD and curcumin would be synergistic if taken together at the same time of day?

I don't like tea?

Periodically I get onto a kick where I try to take up tea drinking. I drink it for a while, go back to my coffee, then find the old tea at the back of the cupboard a couple years later and throw it out.

I think they are synergistic but as vitamin D is fat soluble and curcumin isn't I doubt it makes much difference if they are taken together or separately. I take mine together with my breakfast which as it's usually fried in coconut oil has a high fat content but that's mainly to ensure the vitamin D is absorbed.

I've been using these

Although at first I thought that having a high 25(OH)D is was possibly a waste of money for me to also be taking curcumin at the same time.
I've since discovered that in Alzheimer's different gene groups respond differently to either curcumin and/or vitamin D. This could be the same for other inflammatory conditions. Therefore by taking both you cover your options if you one of those whose genes respond more to curcumin than vitamin D.

Here's another screengrab. Sorry about image quality.

Interesting to see Glucosamine listed in between Turmeric (Curcumin) and Green Tea. Those people taking it to help their arthritis may also be reducing their cancer risks.

great, thanks for explaining that. I'll go ahead and get it then.

interesting that the soy extract seems to be the lowest dietary factor to have this antiangiogenesis effect. That is, if I'm reading the graph correctly. It seems that women gag down enough soy products as some kind of talisman against breast cancer to choke an elephant...according to this it's the least effective.

But then half way up under grapes does it say that soy is measured again? Soy what? beans? or tofu or whatever?

I'd like to consume more turmeric but can't figure out how to do that aside from eating lots of curry. Any ideas? Or lost cause?

Here you go:

Turmeric supplements