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Old Tue, Nov-03-09, 09:57
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Benefits of Full Fat Milk??

Maybe Fat Phobic mothers are doing their children a disservice by selecting "low fat dairy". And, Fat is essential for brain development as it is commonly stated that about half of the brain is fat molecules playing various roles.

Could low fat actually NOT be producing skinny intelligent kids??


University of Gothenburg Report....Article under Benefits link above.



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Children who often drink full-fat milk weigh less

News: Oct 28, 2009

Eight-year-old children who drink full-fat milk every day have a lower BMI than those who seldom drink milk. This is not the case for children who often drink medium-fat or low-fat milk. This is one conclusion of a thesis presented at the Sahlgrenska Academy.



The study showed that children who drink full-fat milk every day weigh on average just over 4 kg less.

"This is an interesting observation, but we don't know why it is so. It may be the case that children who drink full-fat milk tend also to eat other things that affect their weight. Another possible explanation is that children who do not drink full-fat milk drink more soft drinks instead", says dietician Susanne Eriksson, author of the thesis.



The scientists also discovered a difference between overweight children who drink full-fat milk every day and those who do not. Children who often drink milk with a fat content of 3% are less overweight. The thesis shows also that the children eat more saturated fat than recommended, but those children who have a high intake of fat have a lower BMI than the children with a lower intake of fat.



Susanne Eriksson has investigated the nutrition, body composition and bone mineralization of 120 healthy 8-year-olds. Much of the results can now be used as a standard to determine what is normal for healthy children at that age. The children recounted what they had eaten during the previous day, and answered questions concerning how often they ate certain foods. Various risk markers in the children's blood were also measured.

"Many of these children had been examined when they were four years old, and we discovered that their eating habits were pretty much unchanged four years later. It appears to be the case that eating habits are established early", says Susanne Eriksson.



The thesis found that 62% of the children had low levels of vitamin D in their blood. The general guideline value for all people for vitamin D is 75-100 nmol/l, but most children had less than this. High levels of vitamin D are found in oily fish, while certain dairy products have been fortified with vitamin D. It can be difficult to obtain sufficient levels of the vitamin through the diet.

"We could not determine whether the children's level of vitamin D is correlated with their consumption of fish, but we did see that those children who ate oily fish, such as salmon and mackerel, at least once a week have higher values of the long-chain fatty acids EPA and DHA in their blood. This shows how important it is to eat such fish, instead of processed fish such as fish fingers", says Susanne Eriksson.



For more information, contact:

Susanne Eriksson, registered dietician, telephone: +46 70 695 9020, e-mail
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Old Tue, Nov-03-09, 10:30
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This is an interesting observation, but we don't know why it is so.


Have the researchers ever drank full-fat milk themselves? Do they, anecdotally, know the difference in satiety levels produced by full-fat and fat-free milk?
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Old Tue, Nov-03-09, 11:05
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This is an interesting observation, but we don't know why it is so.



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Have the researchers ever drank full-fat milk themselves? Do they, anecdotally, know the difference in satiety levels produced by full-fat and fat-free milk?


It is interesting to note that the thesis was prepared by a registered dietician.

Sarcastically, she may have never eaten fat in the last five years..... or could not willingly attribute anything worthwhile to fat as fitting in with her training.

A telling comment, Altari.
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The thesis shows also that the children eat more saturated fat than recommended, but those children who have a high intake of fat have a lower BMI than the children with a lower intake of fat.

Gotta love this statement.
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My kids' BMIs certainly dropped once I upped their saturated fat levels.
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Several years ago, over on ASDLC (Alt.Support.Diet.LowCarb) Usenet, a number of the old timers were always suggesting that if you weren't losing weight, up your fat intake. I don't remember them focusing on Saturated Fat, but it seems as if fat was clearly recommended to enhance poor weight loss. Roger Z___ was one of the recommenders.

I don't recall much discussion of the cause, but in other interchanges, the satiation of fats leading to less eating was discussed.
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I know for me personally that when I have full fat dairy products, it tends to keep me full feeling for a long time. Just a simple cheese snack or yogurt can be rather filling. I would definitely think that plays a huge role in the kids BMI since they would be less likely to eat and drink other junk foods.
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Several years ago, over on ASDLC (Alt.Support.Diet.LowCarb) Usenet, a number of the old timers were always suggesting that if you weren't losing weight, up your fat intake.

Ah, that brings back memories of the old days, and Dietman telling people to sip their oil.
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The study showed that children who drink full-fat milk every day weigh on average just over 4 kg less.

"This is an interesting observation, but we don't know why it is so. It may be the case that children who drink full-fat milk tend also to eat other things that affect their weight. Another possible explanation is that children who do not drink full-fat milk drink more soft drinks instead", says dietician Susanne Eriksson, author of the thesis.

Wouldn't it be great if these "dieticians" and "nutritionists" would decide to investigate the reasons instead of just speculating? They might actually learn something!!
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Wouldn't it be great if these "dieticians" and "nutritionists" would decide to investigate the reasons instead of just speculating? They might actually learn something!!

You mean, they should practice real science! That's a lot of work! Speculation is much easier, you can do it while having a nice diner with your co-workers.

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It's important to note that BMI is not merely a measure of weight, but a measure of height as well. This implies that the children who had a lower BMI were either taller or weighed less, or both. And it implies that the children who had a higher BMI were either shorter or weighed more, or both. Thus, it's entirely possible that those healthier children were merely taller but not necessarily leaner. However, in my opinion, they were probably both taller and leaner.

I have to wonder where the reference to vitamin D came from. There is nothing in the article to connect it to BMI. On the other hand, I'd understand how somebody who drank skim milk would have less vitamin D than somebody who drank full fat milk since vitamin D requires fat in order to be absorbed. Then those who drank full fat milk did have a lower BMI, so maybe that's the connection.
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It's important to note that BMI is not merely a measure of weight, but a measure of height as well. This implies that the children who had a lower BMI were either taller or weighed less, or both. And it implies that the children who had a higher BMI were either shorter or weighed more, or both. Thus, it's entirely possible that those healthier children were merely taller but not necessarily leaner. However, in my opinion, they were probably both taller and leaner.

I have to wonder where the reference to vitamin D came from. There is nothing in the article to connect it to BMI. On the other hand, I'd understand how somebody who drank skim milk would have less vitamin D than somebody who drank full fat milk since vitamin D requires fat in order to be absorbed. Then those who drank full fat milk did have a lower BMI, so maybe that's the connection.


You can actually get the link to the full thesis from the link under "Benefits" in the original posting.

If you want to read the actual thesis the information is below:

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Susanne Eriksson, registered dietician, telephone: +46 70 695 9020, Author's e-mail



A thesis presented for the degree of Doctor of Philosophy (Medicine) at the Sahlgrenska Academy, Institute of Clinical Sciences, Department of Pediatrics.

Title of the thesis: Studies on nutrition, body composition and bone mineralization in healthy 8 year-olds in an urban Swedish community



The thesis has been successfully defended.



The full text of the thesis is available from: http://hdl.handle.net/2077/20457

The author's email address has been linked to above, so you can write her to ask about clarifying your concerns mentioned previously. Keep us informed, please.

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