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Old Sun, Sep-13-09, 11:27
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I could have sworn that somewhere recently I found reference to a lab, with a website, that does thyroid panel testing based on dried blood spots, you could send off for it, a little similar to enterolab.com (that uses stool samples to test for reaction to grain and milk and other proteins). I can't seem to find the link now but that sounded like a useful alternative for people like me who don't have a regular doctor and don't want to have to try and beg a doctor to do even half the tests I want or it won't be covered by insurance.


Dr. William Davis has links for various tests you can have done, including thyroid panel. See:
http://typ.trackyourplaque.com/products/Default.aspx
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Old Sun, Sep-13-09, 13:51
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William Davis has links for thyroid panel. See:
http://typ.trackyourplaque.com/products/Default.aspx

Useless, since the panel doesn't include Reverse T3, without which it's impossible to know if a perfectly adequate T4 is converting not to T3 (which may also appear okay, if not optimal), but to Reverse T3, a metabolically inert hormone that's like a black hole for all the good it does your thyroid. The only way to determine if this is happening is to find your reverseT3/T3 ratio, which this test cannot supply.

Don't waste your money on this 'panel'.

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Old Sun, Sep-13-09, 13:54
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From the same article.

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There is no accurate medical test for thyroid function, according to Dr. Lita Lee. Anyone having high cholesterol is practically assured of having hypothyroidism, because thyroid hormone controls the conversion of cholesterol to important anti-aging hormones and to bile salts. The lack of this conversion causes cholesterol levels to rise. However, many people with low cholesterol from a depressed immune system or from eating a low protein diet may also have hypothyroidism.
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Dr. Barnes introduced the basal temperature test as a way to determine adequate thyroid function. The oral temperature is measured with an oral digital thermometer immediately after waking in the morning. This temperature should be 98.0 degrees F. It should then rise to 98.6 to 99 degrees during the daylight hours, and the resting pulse should be about 85 beats per minute. If temperature and pulse rates are below these levels, hypothyroidism is indicated.
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Old Sun, Sep-13-09, 14:03
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Lisa is right. Hypothyroidism is unfortunately becoming a common issue, but is also a complex one. If you want to be on the safe side, you have to find yourself a proper specialist MD that will work with you on this.

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Old Sun, Sep-13-09, 14:37
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Hmmm... I could try for it (98.0 on rising) but I bet I'll have hyperthyroid symptoms. 85 bpm? That seems kind of fast to me.
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Old Sun, Sep-13-09, 15:18
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Here's a site that supplies Iodoral....
http://www.unikeyhealth.com/category/s
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Old Sun, Sep-13-09, 16:28
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In the Eades new book they recommend taking the supplements because the sort in sea food isn't utilized well.
I doubt that.
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Old Sun, Sep-13-09, 16:32
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Here's a site that supplies Iodoral....

Expensive and dangerous, and probably should be taken under a doctor's supervision. Furthermore, since it is plain iodine (cheaper, easier to find and without all the bad side effects) that kept folks goiter-free for decades, and I've seen no scientific evidence that iodine -- in kelp form, for instance, or edible seaweed -- wouldn't work just as well for the purpose, why not use that?
  1. Although many people have been reported to have enjoyed great benefits from the use of the Iodoral supplement, a number of disadvantages have been linked to the drug. One is that it needs to be paired with vitamin A before it can help increase thyroid production. This means that Iodoral alone may not be able to function well. Moreover, Iodoral can only be taken safely by people who have inactive or slow thyroids. People who do not suffer from iodine deficiency cannot take this supplement as doing so might only pose several health risks.



    Side Effects
  2. Iodoral supplements work well with people who have problems with thyroid production. However, these supplements might not work well for everyone. There are people who suffer side-effects from these medicines, including the formation of acne-like lesions on some parts of the body, increased sneezing and salivation, severe headache especially in the frontal sinus and a brassy taste on the tongue.



    Hand tremors, muscle weakness, significant hair loss, abnormal weight loss, heart palpitations, breathlessness, increased irritability, insomnia and many more discomforts and disorders may also be experienced. Likewise, women might experience disruption in their menstrual cycle. When any of these signs are felt or experienced, it is best to stop taking Iodoral and consult a doctor.



    Warning
  3. Iodoral is not intended for weight loss but for thyroid production and supplementation of iodine in the body. When taken by people who want to lose weight but do not have a deficiency in iodine, serious health problems might result. Never take Iodoral if you do not have problems with hyperthyroidism or with iodine deficiency. Consult a doctor before taking Iodoral.
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Old Sun, Sep-13-09, 17:06
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Expensive and dangerous, and probably should be taken under a doctor's supervision. Furthermore, since it is plain iodine (cheaper, easier to find and without all the bad side effects) that kept folks goiter-free for decades, and I've seen no scientific evidence that iodine -- in kelp form, for instance, or edible seaweed -- wouldn't work just as well for the purpose, why not use that?...

I took Kelp twice per day for 6 months without results (650 mcg of Iodine x2 = 1.3 mg). I would have to take 20 Kelp pills to get the same amount the Japanese are ingesting.

I really don't know why Iodoral might be dangerous when these people intake the equivalent of 2 Iodoral pills every single day all their lives.

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Old Sun, Sep-13-09, 18:26
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Default Lugols solution, saving lives since 1829.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lugol%27s_iodine

Exactly the same as iodoral, except in liquid form. Provides both the iodine (needed by the glands) and iodide (for the thryoid). Great stuff!

"Lugol's iodine, also known as Lugol's solution, first made in 1829, is a solution of elemental iodine and potassium iodide in water, named after the French physician J.G.A. Lugol. Lugol's iodine solution is often used as an antiseptic and disinfectant, for emergency disinfection of drinking water, and as a reagent for starch detection in routine laboratory and medical tests."

"Lugol's was often used in the treatment of gout.

It was also used at one time as a first line treatment for severe hypothyroidism due to iodine deficiency in adults.

It was used by the Polish government in 1986, after the Chernobyl disaster to replace and block any intake of radioactive iodine131[2].

Historically, Lugol's iodine solution has been widely available and used for a number of health problems with some precautions.[3] Lugol's is sometimes prescribed in a variety of alternative medical treatments.[4][5]"
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Old Sun, Sep-13-09, 18:34
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Oh believe me, I tried buying Lugol's first. But it's not sold anymore in the US and Canada, because some people used it to make methamphetamine. And the iodine solution currently sold is no better than Kelp, it is 10 times less potent than the old Lugol's or Iodoral.

So I'm left with Iodoral.

Patrick
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Old Sun, Sep-13-09, 18:40
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http://www.noaw.com/Iodine%20Def/tincture_of_iodine.htm

Applying tincture of iodine to your skin is a test, and a treatment.
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Old Sun, Sep-13-09, 18:41
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Oh believe me, I tried buying Lugol's first. But it's not sold anymore in the US and Canada, because some people used it to make methamphetamine. And the iodine solution currently sold is no better than Kelp, it is 10 times less potent than the old Lugol's or Iodoral.

So I'm left with Iodoral.

Patrick


True, it is less potent. Iodoral is a fine choice.
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Old Mon, Sep-14-09, 07:23
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Jimmy Moore did an interview with a doctor about iodine deficiency.

http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/...re-episode-283/
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Old Mon, Sep-14-09, 07:36
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http://www.noaw.com/Iodine%20Def/tincture_of_iodine.htm

Applying tincture of iodine to your skin is a test, and a treatment.

Thanks for the link, I will try that this evening.

Patrick
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