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Old Fri, Jul-25-08, 13:27
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Default Study: 'Weight-ism' More Widespread Than Racism

Yale Researchers Find Widespread Discrimination Against Overweight People

It's illegal to discriminate against someone because of race or gender, but our culture condones a bias against people who are overweight.

Two studies point out the problem of weight discrimination.

There are no federal laws that prohibit discrimination on the basis of weight, and only Michigan has such a law, according to a new study from Yale University.

As a result, the researchers contend, weight discrimination is spiraling upward, and that's a dangerous trend that could add fuel to the obesity epidemic.

Weight discrimination "occurs in employment settings and daily interpersonal relationships virtually as often as race discrimination, and in some cases even more frequently than age or gender discrimination," the researchers report in the current issue of the International Journal of Obesity.

Overweight women are twice as vulnerable as men, and discrimination strikes much earlier in their lives, the report states.

"This is a form of bias that remains very socially acceptable in our culture," research scientist Rebecca Puhl, lead author of the study, said in a telephone interview.

Puhl, who was trained as a clinical psychologist, and co-author Tatiana Andreyeva, studied data collected from 3,437 adults as part of a national survey conducted in 1995-1996. They have just updated the work in a disturbing paper showing that weight discrimination has accelerated through 2006.

Puhl, who has been studying weight discrimination for nine years, said our culture has made it clear that it's wrong to discriminate against someone because of race, color, creed, gender, age and so forth, but that it's OK to show someone the door because he or she is fat.

"We send a message to citizens in our culture that this is something that is tolerated," she said. "We live in a culture where we obviously place a premium on fitness, and fitness has come to symbolize very important values in our culture, like hard work and discipline and ambition. Unfortunately, if a person is not thin, or is overweight or obese, then they must lack self-discipline, have poor willpower, etc., and as a result they get blamed and stigmatized."

The social current driving this is the obvious fact that no one is responsible for his or her race, or gender or even age. That's a given. But the traditional thinking goes that people should be able to control their weight, so if they're obese, it's their fault.

But that, according to Puhl, is dead wrong.

"We place a lot of emphasis on personal responsibility for body weight," she said. "Our billion-dollar diet industry is founded on that premise. Your weight is modifiable. But that does not reflect the current state of science. We know from hundreds of randomized clinically controlled trials that it's very difficult to sustain weight loss over time with our existing treatment methods."

"That has compelled a number of expert panels, like the National Institutes of Health, to conclude that we really can't expect you to lose more than 10 percent of your body weight and be able to keep that off."

For a 300-pound man, she notes, that's a mere 30 pounds, and he's still overweight, unless he's nearly seven feet tall. Obesity is based on the body mass index (BMI) that is derived from a formula based on weight vs. height. Normal BMI is 18.5 to 24.9. Obesity begins at BMI 30 and ranges up to 40.

Puhl emphasized that she isn't saying people shouldn't try to control their weight. Scores of studies have shown that excess weight contributes to a wide range of diseases, and physical fitness is one of our best bets for fighting everything from heart attacks to aging. But let's face it, if diets worked, we would all be skinny. Many uncontrollable factors contribute to obesity, like genetics and some diseases, yet we still blame the individual.

The heart of the problem, Puhl said, is that obesity brings social stigmatism and stereotyping, and that can lead to depression, discrimination and binge eating, so the problem just gets worse.

But why are we failing so miserably at keeping our weight under control?

"We live in a very toxic food environment," Puhl said. "We make it very easy for people to be unhealthy. Unhealthy foods, or junk foods, are accessible, cheap and engineered to taste very, very good. Healthy foods, like produce, are not as accessible, and are more expensive."

And it's everywhere. A friend recently offered me one of those cookies sold by Girl Scouts in our community. The label on the box said one cookie has four grams of fat. And nobody eats just one Girl Scout cookie. It tastes great, it's cheap and it's for a worthy cause. But that little angel standing at your door is offering you a one-way ticket to obesity.

So grab a handful, and if you get fat, it's your fault, right?

"We take this personal responsibility approach and say well, just exercise more and eat less, but it's much more complicated than that," Puhl said. "If it were that easy, we wouldn't have this epidemic that we have now."

So people who are overweight, regardless of the cause, are blamed for their excesses and it's OK to discriminate against them, at least according to federal law and cultural norms.

Here are some of the findings in Puhl's study:

# Men are not at serious risk of discrimination until their BMI reaches 35, while women begin experiencing an increase in discrimination at BMI 27.

# Moderately obese women with a BMI of 30 to 35 are three times more likely than men in the same weight group to experience weight discrimination.

# Compared to other forms of discrimination in the United States, weight discrimination is the third most prevalent cause of perceived discrimination among women (after gender and age) and the fourth most prevalent form of discrimination among all adults (after gender, age and race.)

Puhl (whose BMI is in the normal range) thinks this is a very big deal. Our culture, she said, sanctions biases against people who are even a little overweight. We blame them for a condition that may result from their genes, or a health problem, and that condemnation in many cases backfires.

And the solution isn't as simple as eat less, exercise more.

Lee Dye is a former science writer for the Los Angeles Times. He now lives in Juneau, Alaska.
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Old Fri, Jul-25-08, 13:44
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soo true. I agree to this and that is one of the problems i have with people. I was very athletic , slim and attractive looking before weight gain happened. I could just see the way the perspective of people changed towards me over the years . Even though I am not obese that still hurts and as much.people accross this very website have expressed theri distress over people treating you bad
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# Men are not at serious risk of discrimination until their BMI reaches 35, while women begin experiencing an increase in discrimination at BMI 27.
Gee, that means women with a weight that correlates with the longest lifespan are being discriminated against. Latest findings are that "overweight" women live longer than "normal" weight women.
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Puhl said, is that obesity brings social stigmatism and stereotyping, and that can lead to depression, discrimination and binge eating, so the problem just gets worse


Yupyupyup. Being treated like crap has never been much of a motivator to me.....so why do people keep trying it???
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I'm around the BMI range where I'm going to live forever. so does that mean lots more years for weight discrimination to occur? Actually I've been fortunate not to have observed any discrimination against me due to weight (other characteristics yes, but not weight). Probably because I was at home with kids outside the work force a lot. They need to make weight discrimination illegal unless it pertains to a specific job requirement, but will they? Don't you wish.
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That is a lot of thought provoking material. Here are a few opinions:

1. I believe that in most cases, the choice between fat and "normal" is entirely within the control of the individual. Sure, we have been given bad advice ("Fat makes you fat", etc) but if you are reading this board then you have access to the true way to lose weight, a lot of weight. Take personal responsibility. I don't blame it on McDonalds or the Girl Scouts, or stress, or getting injured or sick. Even though I have lost 69 lbs., I am still fat. I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT. I AM FIXING IT. WHEN I FIX IT, IT WILL STAY FIXED.

2. Understand that if being overweight is your fault, THAT'S A GOOD THING! That means YOU can fix it.

3. There will always be "discrimination" at some level against those who fall outside of the norm or ideal. Do the girls prefer a fat guy? Or a short guy? How about a guy who is perceived as ugly? In general, girls prefer the taller, slimmer, more handsome guy. Is this "fair"? No, but that's life.

4. NIH says that you can only expect to lose 10% of your body weight on a diet. First of all, diets don't work. And which "diet" are we talking about? If those 300 lb men switch to a low carb way of eating, they will lose much more than 10% of their body weight. I have lost over 20% and I am far from done.

5. The overall tone of the article is "victimization" of overweight people. Take responsibility. Refuse to be a victim.
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Old Sun, Jul-27-08, 18:00
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I don't know how much weight loss is under my control. I have been doing all the right things and it still refuses to budge. I've never been able to lose much weight doing low-carb, don't know why, but still stick with it for my health. That being said, I think it would be good if people could be stopped from doing things that adversely affect people in ways like financial such as refusing to hire a person or promote them just because they are fat, the same as for race, gender, etc. Even if weight does turn out to be modifiable by the individual, it just seems wrong to discriminate against someone for a pretty routine way of appearing. It's not like they've deliberately chosen some really far out fashion with their hair or clothes that messes with the company's conservative image or something. I'm just not hopeful it will happen.
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Overweight women are probably discriminated against frequently. I've seen it on online dating sites and even overweight men discriminate and want to date thin women.
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Whether being fat is within our control is irrelevant to whether it's ok to discriminate against the fat. If it is a matter of choice and a person chooses to be fat, that is not a reason to discriminate against him. Plain and simple. There is no reason to discriminate against people based upon appearance.

And I'm not talking about who wants to date whom.
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Gypsy, yeah, but it just feels so much better when you can rant at people and know you are superior to them, ya know?
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Liz. Well, that *is* what society is built upon it seems.
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For employment purposes, older people suffer more discrimination than any other large group. People with health problems are the most discriminated against, even though it is illegal. I would think that prospective employers are watching their insurance costs and that may play a role in discrimination of handicapped people, those with chronic diseases and the obese. Even if it isn't true, everyone now *believes* the obese incur more health care costs.

Of course, I think it is wrong to discriminate against anyone. The current media blitz of obesity as an epidemic disease isn't going to help anything.
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advantagec. if I hadn't been lied to about the CAUSE of obesity, I would agree with you. Since I operated under bad advice for over 20 years which directly caused my obesity, I have to disagree.
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I've thought of that too - the 'rationale' behind discriminating against obese. And I could ... accept isn't the right word, maybe tolerate? ... it better if 'health' were the only reason. But it's not just health concerns that cause the discrimination. It's the perception that obese people are lazy, don't care, don't take pride, will reflect poorly on the company, can't control themselves, etc.

What's funny is that I'm sure I've been on the receiving end of such thoughts - but I'm dense about insults and stuff like this so it would have to be extremely obvious for me to pick up on it.
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That is a lot of thought provoking material. Here are a few opinions:

1. I believe that in most cases, the choice between fat and "normal" is entirely within the control of the individual. Sure, we have been given bad advice ("Fat makes you fat", etc) but if you are reading this board then you have access to the true way to lose weight, a lot of weight. Take personal responsibility. I don't blame it on McDonalds or the Girl Scouts, or stress, or getting injured or sick. Even though I have lost 69 lbs., I am still fat. I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT. I AM FIXING IT. WHEN I FIX IT, IT WILL STAY FIXED.

2. Understand that if being overweight is your fault, THAT'S A GOOD THING! That means YOU can fix it.

3. There will always be "discrimination" at some level against those who fall outside of the norm or ideal. Do the girls prefer a fat guy? Or a short guy? How about a guy who is perceived as ugly? In general, girls prefer the taller, slimmer, more handsome guy. Is this "fair"? No, but that's life.

4. NIH says that you can only expect to lose 10% of your body weight on a diet. First of all, diets don't work. And which "diet" are we talking about? If those 300 lb men switch to a low carb way of eating, they will lose much more than 10% of their body weight. I have lost over 20% and I am far from done.

5. The overall tone of the article is "victimization" of overweight people. Take responsibility. Refuse to be a victim.


But it can be so cruel. I have received more discrimination at 157 pounds (I'm 5'5") than at 100 pounds heavier. At the time I was 7 pounds "overweight". Most of this is social conditioning and has nothing to do with even how fat a person is. I get more negative comment now on the street than I did when I was 80 pounds heavier - taking personal responsibility has nothing to do with that reality.

Janine
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