I have magnesium here as I heard it was good for withdrawal from antidepressants which I quit in 2007. It did seem to be calming for me for the first few days then did the opposite. This may well have been due to the withdrawal of drugs. Thanks for all your answers I am going to try the magnesium again now slowly go up in dose. Then is a wk I will try the D3 again at this point my immunity is also low. I am seeing an immunity specialist in Dec maybe I will have corrected the problem by then lets hope. I will keep you posted.
Thanks again.

Hi again susan!

I just wondered what kind of magnesium you were taking at the moment. If it is magnesium oxide, for example, it won't be doing you much good.

I also wondered if you had any issues with food intolerances as this could possibly be the root cause of your getting so low on magnesium and vitamin D3. The fact that you mention your immunity being low makes me wonder if you have also become low on other minerals, such as iron, which will affect your immune system.

How do you react to wheat products (pasta, pizza, baked goods, bread etc)?

Have you been taking any other medications besides depressants?

amanda

How funny. Just yesterday I was at the Whole Foods in my new area for the first time and happened to stroll down the vitamin aisle. There was an older man scanning the shelves and muttering. A young girl who worked there asked him if she could help him. He said, "I need magnesium, and every one I see here is magnesium OXIDE. That's no good. I don't want oxide! Oxide is worthless. But every one I see on the shelf is OXIDE! The young girl began to look also, as as I passed further down the aisle I heard her shout "Here's a magnesium citrate".

So it seems the word is getting out to some people, but what a shame that most of the brands they carry are oxides as that's what most will buy.

Hi Debbie!

Interesting anecdote! It's the same here, too, in Germany, in the drugstore type places, only Mg oxide!

However, for me at least, Mg citrate is not a lot better as it has a strong potty effect on me...

Here in Germany the other problem is that the dosage is always really low, too. I get all my supps from iherb.com these days, or use internet retailers based in Europe who sell higher-dosed and better-quality supplements than the drugstore rubbish.

amanda

Magnesium citrate 300mg is the one I have I bought it during withdrawal after I quit the pills withdrawal was long and hard basically was disabled for a couple of years and am still not 100%. I was 8months into cold turkey withdrawal when I found a site that teaches about antidepressant withdrawal. People there talked a lot about magnesium said it help with nervous system issues and sleep. So I bought it to try. The first couple of days taking it were good then it turned bad I can't recall what the symptoms were at this point but I quit taking it. I have used it sparingly for insomnia taking a page out of the book of another person on that site I ground the pill up put it in some water and sipped it until my system calmed down some. Oddly I think it was a paradoxical reaction as in it revved me up rather then calming me down after a few days at that time I had the same issue with benzos. My doctor said this is unusual as this usually only happens only to kids taking benzos.

I have not taken any benzo since 2008 and then it was after a traumatic night in emerg with a loved one. I only take drugs that I really need as my system now has changed and reacts to many things including vitamins and food like watermelon I no longer like fruit. Apparently this passes as withdrawal subsides some people including me have protracted withdrawal for reason not yet understood. This means it can take years to heal the longest I have seen is 7 years. I know a lot of what I am saying here will be meant with skepticism and I don't blame you thinking this odd it is however quite true.

In the last three years I have been on plenty of antibiotics and an antiviral for shingles. Dental issues during this time have been paramount sinus infections and most trips to the dentist are followed by root canals and extraction infections. So my prescription use has been antibiotics antivirals with the occasional pain pill for the tooth issues such as tylenol #3 and perkaset which I have no idea how to spell.

Before I quit the antidepressants I was taking blood pressure pills verapamil I had bp fluctuations periet for gerd following a gastro bleed/pancreatitis, clonazapam for sweating, lorazapam for sleep, lyrica for neurological issues foot drag dizziness brain zaps, hemophiliac drug for menstral bleeding that would not stop. All these drug were given too me after I had a couple of years of infections during the last year I was on the antidepressant. I could not eat the last few months had the runs was investigated for ms ect. I quit all these drugs the same day as I truly felt I was going to die and was not getting any better taking them. Some drugs listed I barely took as I was so ill and felt my body was just shutting down. I had a very bad withdrawal period for a couple years. I am much better now but not done the things listed are the issues that linger. IGg is low vit D is low as far as test go I have long standing urine test that says infection that docs don't bother treating anymore as the antibiotics don't work and make me ill.

I had been rather ill the last few years on antidepressants too with constant infections bleeding and neurological issues.

I know vitamin K is messed up by these drugs sometimes and my doc checked it while I was still on the drugs. At one point while still taking the ads I was put on a hemophiliac drug who knows what effect all these drug had on my body but I am determine to heal from this no matter how long it takes.
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This may seem a bit unjointed as I went back and added a few things.
It is complicated for sure I know and don't expect any real lightening flashes. I don't have celiac disease as it has been checked.

I was told after my first dance with prozac that I had chronic fatigue slash fibro. I took prozac less than a month and had a severe reaction to it. This was not looked at as the cause of my demise at the time as I think they didn't know much about the drug then. It was only after the prozac that I had issues with cfs and depression I had no issue prior to the drug use. Treatment for cfs is strangely enough more antidepressants. I was on them for years I am so over that now.

Post any ideas you have I will always at the end of the day check it out for myself as I am also over doing what other people say without investigating it for myself.
Thank you for all the time and energy it has taken to think of this list as I know it is extensive.
Seeing it in print is a bit daunting even for me and I lived it


As for my other history I was in an accident in 1985 was first put on prozac around 89 for leg pain due to this accident it was thought at the time this drug would allow me to lower my use of tylenol #3 prozac made me mad as in crazy.

a ps
Mirapex from the neurologist quit it too used only a short time like lyrica.
I currently take advil sparingly it is my new drug of choice I started the magnesium today at 150mg as I am a chicken. Decided to start low and build slowly in case it does not sit well with me.
ps I have found a site that suggests vit D3 causes migraine in a select group of people do you think these people also have a magnesium deficiency?

I just looked at the servey results listing the benefits of the low carb diet. I will admit I found your site because of vit D and not the diet. I have always loved potatoes always and still do. Since I have been going through this it stated in 2004...food has taken on a new dimension for me. I tried many non specific diets to improve my health I was too ill and it was too late. For a long time I could not eat much of anything as my digestion was a mess. Slowly this has improved. I eat a lot of vegetables compared to before I was ill I no longer eat white bread as I cannot digest it well.
I think our bodies have a certain type of wisdom it may not kick in until the threat is huge but once it does we crave what we need. In the past couple of years I have had huge cravings for beets asparagus green beans and brussel sprouts...I do wonder why I no longer like fruits.

exactly. for years I read here to take magnesium. all I ever found(and could get for free with coupons) was mag oxide. I never knew any better about the absorption until recently. I did find a store brand of chelated magnesium and also ordered mag malate from amazon. HUGE DIFFERENCE
It kind of gets me mad that these are sold close to the pharmacy and the pharmacy lets it happen. They should know that we don't absorb mag oxide

also, Susan, taking mag has made my depression tolerable without prescription med

Susan have you ever tried the GAPS diet ?

This is an inexpensive way to get ionized magnesium using milk of magnesia and carbonated water. I just started this today myself.



http://www.afibbers.org/Wallerwater.pdf

How interesting I have been washing down my magnesium with low sodium club soda. I decided to try the club soda to settle my stomach as I find magnesium unsettles it considerably.
I have taken a one day break from the magnesium and started with 75 mg today due to the stomach upset. I do feel different with only these few days of taking magnesium though I know the dose is low I cannot quite put my finger on the state... a very strange coincidence is it may well be helping with the PSSD. Too soon to tell on that one likely just an coincidence.
I think I will try your method soon as I can find MoM I have not looked for it yet but don't recall seeing it in any drugstores for many years.
Thanks for the info.

I had not heard of it till you mentioned it in your post I looked it up and it sounds interesting. Thank you for introducing me to the idea.

According to some pretty smart and knowledgable people (Chris Kresser), the GAPS diet is the best one to heal the gut, which seems to be your issue, from the little I know.

I was moving along ok with the mag started slow and tried this had only one dose.
I am not sure what is going on I felt off balance and stopped taking any mag never made it to the vit D being added the next wk as I fell in a hole before then.

Insomnia so bad I slept only a couple hours a night this is paramount with Antidepressant withdrawal but I thought I was past all that it has been almost 4 years since my cold turkey withdrawal. Anxiety was back could not keep a train of thought got a bit paranoid too but just waited this all out.. no appetite either. Seems I have lost some weight again. All these things are the same symptoms I had when I took vit D I really don't get it.

Also had blood work done as I have not had a gp in a long time the new doc was checking things. The blood was drawn on Oct 4th I need to check the date of my last post to see when I took the mag just now I don't recall things are a bit blurry to my mind. Memory is off.

Test results:
HbA1C .61 high
AST 38 high
ALT 67 high
GGT 57 high
Cholesterol 7.77
LDL 5.75
HDL1.32
Ratio 5.9
Triglycerides 1.55
TSH 5.67 high

I do not understand what is going on having a ultra sound on my liver nest wk. I had liver cysts and fatty liver before she wants me to take
Ezetrol 10mg but I am resisting have tried statins they do not agree with me I looked up the side effects of Ezetrol and lordy they scare me. I have been thru the wringer with side effects from psych meds and do not want any meds in my body especially ones with side effects like this. Since the getting off all meds in 2007 I have had a no med attitude as withdrawal was a very painful thing. My body has not responded well to most vitamins since I quit the long list of drugs in 07....
so I guess diet is my thing for losing weight and getting healthy.

The drugs reported as causing fatty liver include total parenteral nutrition, methotrexate (Rheumatrex), griseofulvin (Grifulvin V), tamoxifen (Nolvadex), steroids, valproate (Depakote), and amiodaronye (Cordarone).
However, most people with Type 2 diabetes who develop fatty liver probably develop it because of exposure to the very high triglycerides that result from uncontrolled high sugars.

I did take valproate for a few years.

I am adamant to stay off drugs please direct me to the best diet. I know I can lose weight very quickly by taking vit D3 in one month taking it before I lost 15 pounds and did not take it every day... I just hate how it makes me feel. My doctors is not putting anything together on this yet no common denominator other than fat that I can see.

Recap in cases there are ideas on common denominator:

high cholesterol
high alt ast ggt which are liver enzymes
high TSH just a bit high hyperthyroid - can cause insomnia haha makes some sense now
low immunity
low vit D
I quit the mag when I could not sleep but I recall having one day in there someplace where I felt like I use to for part of the day NORMAL
this was so different I can't quit put it into words. I had a sense of myself that has been missing for years.
Thanks in advance for any ideas.

I more thing my sister gave me some probiotics different from the kind I would normally use as she is raving about them I tried them during this time other than that nothing else was different I read th e bottle they came in and it said nothing about having any vitD3 in them... I took them about a wk and they caused pain in my side or so I thought told her I would save them and give them back to her.