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Old Wed, Dec-12-07, 08:19
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I find the not getting sleepy effect of low carb (even more pronounced by adding IF) can actually lead to sleep deprivation. I get tired in the early evening. So I'll sleep for about 30-40 minutes, then wake and feel really active till about 3am. when I do start to feel a bit tired, and sleep for another four hours. I'm never sleepy the following day, but I do feel a bit tired, and it really feels as if four and a half hours sleep is not enough. After the half hour early evening nap, I'm really sparky until 3am. But I don't like making myself sleep during the day. And as yet I haven't started forcing myself to go to bed earlier in the night even though I'm not tired.

It's a bit frustrating.

Stuart

How old are you, Stuart? I'm 42, and everyone that I've spoken to at or near my age seems to be having some level of the issue you're describing -- low carb or not. It's basically a perverted, more insidious form of insomnia. Probably having something to do with a fear of death
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Old Wed, Dec-12-07, 09:58
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I used to have that problem, Proteus, until I started taking vitamin D supplements. I'm sure getting ample sunshine year round would work too but that isn't available in most non-equitorial climes.
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Old Wed, Dec-12-07, 20:10
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How old are you, Stuart? I'm 42, and everyone that I've spoken to at or near my age seems to be having some level of the issue you're describing -- low carb or not. It's basically a perverted, more insidious form of insomnia. Probably having something to do with a fear of death


What an interesting idea. You could be right. I have always tried to stay up longer than I probably should because I couldn't bear to accept that another day was over. Not very logical I know. I just used to get actually physically (irresistably sleepy earlier). What I have found is the need for that early evening short nap hits me like a train. One minute I'm powering, and then suddenly....

I'm 49. I'm not afraid of actually dying. But I'm mortally apprehensive about not living. It would certainly be easier if I believed in an afterlife. That must be so comforting.

Stuart
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Old Wed, Dec-12-07, 20:15
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hey can someone please tell me if there is any difference between heavy cream and heavy whipping cream? Thank you
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Old Wed, Dec-12-07, 20:20
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How old are you, Stuart? I'm 42, and everyone that I've spoken to at or near my age seems to be having some level of the issue you're describing -- low carb or not. It's basically a perverted, more insidious form of insomnia. Probably having something to do with a fear of death


What an interesting idea. You could be right. I have always tried to stay up longer than I probably should because I couldn't bear to accept that another day was over. Not very logical I know. I just used to get actually physically (irresistibly) sleepy earlier. What I have found is the need for that early evening short nap hits me like a train. One minute I'm powering, and then suddenly....

I'm 49. I'm not afraid of actually dying. But I'm mortally apprehensive about not living. It would certainly be easier if I believed in an afterlife. That must be so comforting.

Maybe this is why I take such an interest in prolonging my body and brain's abilty to really savour this short blink of eternity I've been given. I'm sure my spirit can look after itself.

Btw. VitD deficiency isn't a factor if you spend much time outside in Brisbane, winter or summer. But just in case I've supplemented for years anyway.

Stuart
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Old Wed, Dec-12-07, 21:17
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hey can someone please tell me if there is any difference between heavy cream and heavy whipping cream? Thank you

Uh, one's a sado-masochist?

(Sorry, couldn't resist...)
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Old Wed, Dec-12-07, 23:12
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From Wikipedia:
Types of cream

In the United States, cream is usually sold as:

* Half and half (10.5–18% fat)
* Light, coffee, or table cream (18–30% fat)
* Medium cream (25% fat)
* Whipping or light whipping cream (30–36% fat)
* Heavy whipping cream (36% or more)
* Extra-heavy or manufacturer's cream (38–40% or more), generally not available at retail except at some warehouse stores.

Not all grades are defined by all jurisdictions, and the exact fat content ranges vary. The above figures are based on the Code of Federal Regulations, Title 21, Part 131 [1][2] and a small sample of state regulations.

[By the way, UK has a different system of classification and other wording, such as "clotted cream," etc.]
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Old Sat, Dec-15-07, 12:52
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Well glycerol also comes from dietary fats themselves, which are already in the form of triglycerides before being digested. But maybe the excess carb intake will increase available glycerol phosphate in adipose cells to increase fat storage.

And yet, low carb-high fat dieters have notoriously low triglyceride levels.
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Old Sat, Dec-15-07, 13:08
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That's very interesting. If no weight gain occurs, then the next question is what happens to all those calories.

A quick update. I've completed 14 days of this experiment. So far I've overeaten by 29106 calories. I should be up 8.3 pounds. This morning I weighed exactly the same as 14 days ago. Anthony, do you have your roller skates handy?

Deatails of my experiment can be found here:

http://magicbus.myfreeforum.org/ftopic846-0-asc-0.php
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Old Sat, Dec-15-07, 22:22
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A quick update. I've completed 14 days of this experiment. So far I've overeaten by 29106 calories. I should be up 8.3 pounds. This morning I weighed exactly the same as 14 days ago. Anthony, do you have your roller skates handy?

Deatails of my experiment can be found here:

http://magicbus.myfreeforum.org/ftopic846-0-asc-0.php

I just read your forum. This is amazing! You've got a lot of determination.
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Old Sat, Dec-15-07, 22:26
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Someone with a body that LOVES to gain weight should try this experiment. I would if I could figure out a paleo compatible way to do it.
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Old Tue, Dec-18-07, 18:54
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I just read your forum. This is amazing! You've got a lot of determination.


It really is not easy to overeat that much. I'll be glad in 12 days when it's done. I'll weigh in again after 21 days.
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Old Tue, Dec-18-07, 22:15
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Interesting topic... I just got my good calories, bad calories book - have not started reading it yet - but it is handy on the nightstand

Jono re your Irish ancestors, be sure to check into hemochromatosis, it is a genetic blood condition - too much blood can damage the organs...
also watch out for the gluten intolerance/celiac - be very careful about eating dairy & gluten. (I am with Nancy on the dairy is evil...)
You might want to check your gluten intolerance/celiac genes thru Enterolab.com
With Irish roots, it is good to know these things...

Hemochromatosis - The Celtic Curse... my father's brother died of this because no one knew about it. If it is in your family at least you know who your ancestors were!
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Old Wed, Dec-19-07, 17:27
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Then for a couple days I stopped eating all but the berries and leafy greens, and began drinking lots of raw milk and cream. I'll mix 1/2 gallon raw milk with a pint of raw cream and drink that daily... still about 3000 calories. The result, basically over night, was my belly flattened out, and there was a dramatic increase in subcutaneous fat. My face became very full and soft, and everywhere from my chest to my upper legs gained nearly an added centimeter of subcutaneous fat.


This immediate effect sounds more like water retention to me with all those extra carbs from the milk.
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Old Thu, Dec-27-07, 07:55
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Someone with a body that LOVES to gain weight should try this experiment. I would if I could figure out a paleo compatible way to do it.

My body loves to gain weight. It's done it many times in the past.

Just a quick update. After 26 days I have overeaten by 47,268 calories. Enough extra that I should have gained about 13.5 pounds so far. I am up 1 pound.

I think Taubes is absolutely right. Obesity is not caused by eating too many calories and/or sedentary behavior.

http://magicbus.myfreeforum.org/ftopic846-0-asc-0.php
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