Kimmer wrote when she first started her site that she should get compensated for all her work and I am not neccessarily against that, but I personally appreciate all the websites that are available free such as Linda's low carb recipes and Dyan's low carb recipes. They have helped me a lot and are totally free. But that is because I cook and use their recipes. I am not against enterprenuers. But I am done with trying one diet after another myself. I once heard it said that any diet will work if YOU just work at it. As for myself, my problem has been my lifelong love affair with food rather than looking at food as a tool for sustenence and good health. That photo of Jimmy on his website with the chocolate dribbling out of his mouth was a total TURN OFF (low carb or not)!

According to her website she does have a staff now.

it was definitely..."interesting"...and sooooo not part of the kimkins plan he is on

i will say this...for those people who are doubting that he lost 18 lbs. in one week...i totally believe that.

i cycled kimkins (well, actually stillman) with something like atkins for my weight loss. if i was carbed up from the atkins cycle, it was very typical to drop a lot of water weight my first week back on extreme low carb/low fat...often 10 lbs. in five days. and i have no trouble believing that jimmy was EXTREMELY carbed up, given all the "net carb" products he seemed to enjoy.

so, i don't think he inflated numbers at all when talking about his big whoosh this last week.

"You! Read my e-mails!"
"You! Post on my blog!"

Maybe if she was some sort of medical professional charging $60 to join a website wouldn't be so bad. But as far as I know she has no medical training or anything like that (if she does please correct me). If she did "work" she CHOSE to do it; no one compelled her. I've seen a lot of websites where someone is looked upon as "the guru" but I've never seen anyone attempting to make a career of it. That's what bothers me about the whole Kimkins thing.

bsenka. Jimmie Moore is doing what he needs to do to keep on top of his battle with his weight. He realized that his weight was drifting, for whatever reason, and has been inspired by Kimkins to knock it back down quickly so he can then continue with what worked for him before. His blog is an inspiration to me because he is human and isn't afraid to admit his faults. I especially appreciate how he keeps on top of low carb reseach and posts about it so I can be informed. I wish him all the luck in the world.

I have to agree - especially about the 'loose skin' part!

She's a good capitalist. Enough said. She took her weight loss and a cute name and spun it into a successful business. From the enormous threads I've read over on the LCF website, she had her talking points down, no question. But she can't really deviate from them because she's not trained nor knowledgeable in the physiology of it all. She's out of her element for anything other than her "hands-on counseling." And that's fine. Not worth 60$, IMO. But how people spend their money is their choice.

Mrfreddy, I am with you on your skepticism about the metabolic "disadvantage" of decreased calories. I'm still not convinced it's problematic. Lyle McDonald apparently did some research for his own PSMF book and had some citations, but they may be dated by now, since I'm not sure how old his book is. This would be a good question to pose to Dr. Eades over on his blog, if he hasn't addressed it already. I respect his opinion.

No, I was referring to an answer to a comment I made on his blog. Here's an exerpt from his post:

My body fat percentage is around 9 percent right now which tells me my problem is not one with that. I think I've gone up and down too many times in my life with my weight that the elasticity of my tummy is just gone now.

Feel free to read the full exchange http://livinlavidalocarb.blogspot.c...uck-making.html .
And 11%? I don't think so. Mr. Freddy the problem is that there is a gap between what research has been done and what or when it gets released to the public. There have been studies conducted since the late 1800s and early 1900s dealing with how we metabolize food and what happens when calories are too low; hey, manual labor was the money maker of the day, so business owners wanted to make sure that their workers were working at their optimal best. (Hell, in Jamaica, the national tree is the Ackee tree, which was brought from West Africa to Jamaica because of its fruit, which is high in carbs. The enslavers wanted a cheap but sustainable food for the enslaved Africans, so they brought this tree across the Atlantic, which was not used as a food source but for the medicinal qualities in its leaves.) It's just that the lay person won't hear about this for sometime if ever. A perfect example is Ancel Keyes's lipid or diet-heart hypothesis. It is now generally accepted as "fact", but there were researchers at the time he published this bogus study crying "bloody foul". And, look where we are today. The same is true for VLCD; do me a favor and simply do a google on these types of diets and see what some of the shown and proven side effects of a sustained VLCD are . . . one being death!

he could have been at 11%. I am just over 13% and still have a very ample basketball shaped belly and sizeable lovehandles.

one of the tricky things about bf% is finding a reliable way to measure. My trainer has a machine, called a BAD (I forget what that stands for?), it is supposed to be accurate, but who knows?

anyway, I dont doubt that Jimmy has a lot of loose skin, I also dont believe that eating low carb style as promoted by Atkins, etc. would ever get rid of that skin or get him to under 200 pounds.

That's a good point mrfreddy because my Tanita scale still says that I'm at 20% BF. LOL! For me, I like using the calipers or the measurement chart that they have at www.mybodycomp.com. You have to measure at least 8 sites on your body and they give you a percentage afterwards. It has more measurement sites than I've seen on other places on the web. So, these are the methods I've been using.

Oh, I'm sorry and don't want offend anyone, but the closer you get to single digit body fat, the less "loose skin" you have because you don't have the adipose tissue/fat pushing out causing it to sag. Having gone from 44% BF to single digit numbers, I can confidently tell you that the pixs I saw of Jimmy was of a man closer to 20% BF than 10%! mrfreddy if you have similar excess skin like Jimmy and you're at 13% BF; then, I suggest you try a couple of methods to test you BF to make sure that you're getting an accurate reading.

Eek, interesting thread. Jimmy just featured me on his blog today.. and I have to say my exchanges with him have been both uplifting, inspiring and motivating.

I don't take anything that anyone says as gospel, so I read his blog, or any other blog, take what I need from it and move on.

Webhosting can cost around $25 a month, for a relatively decent site with forums.. if he wasnt using a free blogger, I could understand the advertisements better, but hey, he's doing what he does and if it helps someone (like it did me) then great.

Take the good, leave the bad and go on from there.

I like the guy, I like his podcast interviews but that doesn't mean that I'll swear by anything on his, or anyone else's, blog.

As for the Kimkins thing.. I'm sooooooo on the fence with that. I can see the logic behind her plan, insofar as I know what her plans entail, but charging $60 just to look at it seems a bit suspicious to me. Then again, its a capitalist world.. and she's trying to make a buck off something she worked hard at.. can't say that I would do the same thing, but.. eh, it seems to be helping a lot of people.

i'm laughing rereading this post.. its so non-committal.. thats me, sittin on the great fence of life, not taking sides.. at least til my butt is smaller and its harder to sit on the fence and I fall off.......... lol

i was featured on his blog too when i met my first major weight loss goal...i had no notice he was going to do that. he lifted my story and pics from an article i wrote for a kimkins newsletter. the intent of the article was to encourage others that they can lose weight using kimkins principles even if they didn't follow the plan schedule as it's written (i didn't, i used it as a part of cycle plan with another plan). anyway, jimmy took all of that and featured me as an example of another "kimkins success story."

i was...not expecting that.

honestly, I can relate to that Cutie.. I had sent him a private email and he posted it, snagged my pic from my blog and posted that.. which I was a little uncomfy with, I would have said sure had I been asked, so I just let it go, I don't think he means any harm really

But it is proper "netiquette" to ask first at least.

Ah well.. if someone reads it and gets motivated, thats great!

Here is the latest from Jimmy Moore:
Kimkins Diet Scrutiny Borne Out Of Weight Loss Jealousy

There have been a lot of controversial discussions regarding the subject of calories on a low-carb diet ever since I announced a couple of weeks ago that I was embarking on a new challenge to lose 50 more pounds. In fact, I lost 13 pounds in the first four days and a total of 18 pounds in one week.

Normally, this kind of weight loss success on a low-carb diet plan would be heralded as typical and people who understand and support this way of eating would be applauding your efforts to lose weight and get healthy. On virtually ANY other low-carb program, including Atkins, Protein Power, South Beach, The Zone, or just about every other one out there, that's what would happen.

But not with the low-carb diet I have chosen--Kimkins.

Since when did Kimkins become the dietary equivalent of a religious cult? That's exactly how insane the criticism about this specific diet plan has gotten and frankly it's disappointing that the loudest voices are actually coming FROM members of the low-carb community. Just look at all the kinds of comments that were made at this post I wrote about my progress last week. Sheez! Where'd this all come from?

While some of the harshest and most vile comments they are making have been personal questions about the woman who created the Kimkins diet named Kimmer, my response to that is that Kimkins as a weight loss tool isn't even about her or anyone else but me. Yes, I'm grateful that Kimmer devised a low-carb program that is helping a lot of people (including myself) lose weight, but she could be just a figment of my imagination for all I care! The fact is IT WORKS!!!

But then the anti-Kimkins crowd moves from personality to particulars when they try to pick apart the diet plan itself by claiming it is too low in calories to be healthy. This claim has thoroughly amused me because these people pretend to know all about the five different versions of Kimkins when they haven't got a clue.

Click here to see why the harsh judgment being cast down by the Kimkins diet haters does not even remotely match what this low-carb plan is really all about. It's time for a serious dose of reality for these people and I'm serving up healthy portions of it!