Oh, I know the perfect place to post this link!!!

Actually it's Ruth's Chris Steak House (don't who Chris is, and why Ruth should be so possessive of him ...)

I've never been to one of these, but while in Florida a couple years ago we ate at Don Shula's restaurant (think it's called simply Shula's). Same deal. You choose what steak you want, and if you want something to go with it, you order that separately.

If only ALL restaurants are like that. I hate ordering a cheeseburger with no bun and no side dishes and then pay the same as if I had the whole shebang!

Black, don't get us into trouble on this!

I love this steak house.

It's great how they place the steak on a sizzling platter with melted butter. Ruth's is definitely one of my favorite steak houses.

Why oh why can't they open one up here in rural Maine?

Really? Where??

actually, in 1965 Ruth bought the "Chris Steak House" in New Orleans (at least according to the website)

Well, that explains it! Now we know why she's so possessive of Chris!

They assume, to appeal to people, that they will go back to those foods, and probably want to show them how to proberly do it.

These are published books, they say things like the fiber comment becuase it is believed by almost everyone, and like someone eles mentioned, they need to appeal to the consumer. Plus, fiber is good for you...BUT that in no way would mean you have to have it to be healthy. I think just want to show it can be had, or is healthy, but it prob. is not NEEDED per say.

Honestly, they prob. have tons of studies shown for super healthy/happy people eating only meat/fat/protien...lol...BUT no one would ever start screaming that from the hill tops, becuase the economy would crash.

People are not stupid though, anyone can try and see for themselves, (anyone who has tried meat/eggs type things can see how after a week or so your health, mind and body improve DRASTICALY) someday it will be common knowledge that these things were never needed, but people will always eat them. Becuase they are EVERYWHERE, tempting and people like the pleasure of eating. That is also my guess to why they would give a plan to eating them agian.

Even I, after knowing the benefits of Meat/eggs type eating, still fall off from time to time...but I always go back to a very low carb way of eating.

What have you guys found in your diets?? What are your thoughts??

Remember, how much money is made from junk, sugar, food and such in the world...I don't think anyone would be promoting something that goes agianst the big power houses, like "healthy" grains, fruits and Veggs., and stuff like that, becuase it has been around and regarded as healthy for so long...but I bet if that stuff was taken away, all the sudden sickeness and mental health problems would plumet, there would be no such thing as fat people and crime would probably drop.


Honestly though, food is food, but what the world really needs....is GOD.

He is our only hope...for ANYTHING in life. Everything else will leave you empty...fiber or no fiber

From a lot of reading recently (and observing my own body), I'm quickly coming to the conclusion that fiber is NOT good for you. In fact, I'm starting to believe it's downright harmful.

But, I'm not here to argue about it, so I won't. Just curious how others could assimilate these two statements.

I also won't get into a debate on religion, which has no place in a forum dealing with food.

I have found that at much less than about 50g of carb per day I feel shaky and agitated, can't concentrate, and my muscles (it's noticeable in the big ones in my legs) just run out of umph very quickly. I have to climb a lot of stairs in the course of a day, and after three or four trips my legs feel shaky and weak. All this stuff persisted for at least three months - at that point I increased my carbs to 50-60g per day, and at that level I'm fine.

My experience is much like Janet's. At much less than 50 ECC a day I experience tacchycardia (rapid heart beat) and a washed out feeling. I tire very quickly when performing physical tasks. Perhaps I don't actually need carbohydrates, but I feel better when I have a moderate amount. It also makes it easier for me to stay the course as I quickly become tired of eating meat, eggs, and fish.

Cavemen also ate more than just muscle meats, so they presumably got some fiber from eating internal organs, a sort of paleo-haggis. And berries were more fibrous before their juicy ancestors were bred.

The only time I needed to eat 25-35g of fiber per day to keep "regular" was when I was following a 10-15% fat Pritikin/Ornish diet. Now that I eat 65% fat, I never worry about fiber or go out of my way to eat more, and average ~11g/day.

The quest for fiber seems to have started when the low-fat craze began, so I think the two go hand in hand. Low-fat diets require more fiber to act as a roto-rooter. In my grandmother's day people took mineral oil (fat), not Metamucil. I prefer to just eat butter, animal fat, coconut & olive oil, thank you.

I have one question...who ever said there weren't any fat cavemen??? Can they prove it??????LOL

[QUOTE=BawdyWench]From a lot of reading recently (and observing my own body), I'm quickly coming to the conclusion that fiber is NOT good for you. In fact, I'm starting to believe it's downright harmful. QUOTE]

That is very interesting to me. Until I read this thread I never considered that vegetables could possibly be not needed for optimal health (I am aware of the Eskimo diet and the explorer in the 1930's who lived without them. However when you factor in organ meats and such it does make it hard to compare to the way we live now when very few people;even low carbers, eat organ meats in any great quantities). In fact one of the things that convinced me that LCing was healthy was the fact that it encouraged consumption of lots of veggies filled with vitamins and such.

I'd be interested to learn more about this argument, in particular an alternative source of phytochemicals in the diet.

As I remember, only the B vitamins are water soluble. Thus all the rest are stored in the fat of the fish and animals that are eaten. That is how the Eskimos can get enough critical vitamin D in their diet to make up for the lack of production in the skin where it is normally made. So the low-fat craze adds to the deficits in vitamins started by the absence of the organs in the American diet.

Here is a blog of Dr. Mike Eades about fiber. The following is an excerpt.

So, we have a situation where a product (fiber) causes damage to the cells
lining a tube, causing them to produce a lot of mucus in an attempt to
protect themselves. In the process many of these cells die and are replaced
by new cells. (Increasing the chance of mutations that could become cancerous.)
And this is perceived as a good thing.

[then Dr. Mike Eades asks] My question is: is it really a good thing?

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The "bottom line" is then we need to eat either enough vegetables - with the right mix of vitamins and minerals - OR take the ones we need, and do not get enough from muscle meat, in the form of supplements.