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Old Fri, Jul-20-01, 21:33
jomil jomil is offline
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Plan: modified Dr. A
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Hi All!

Do you get the feeling that Dr. Atkins does not get personally involved with any of the marketing of his food products?

I believe that this is a separate subsidiary, and that it is solely run by business entrepreneurs. He probably gets a royalty.

How else can you justify the promotion and hype about all the LC delicacies that his company offers that I believe truly goes against the LC WOL, and his teachings. I am truly disappointed in that he allows this type of marketing using his name.

I have now read CAD, Dr.Atkins books, Power Protein, and very recently "Eat Yourself Slim" by Montignac (a Frenchman who has sold over 8 million copies in Europe, according to the front cover). Yet none of them have recommended eating "health bars" in their books.

I still feel strongly that LC WOE is the wise and healthy way.
But..... I am not certain that Dr. Atkins isn't "selling out".

If I am on the wrong track, somebody please give a correct direction.

Regards
Joe

P.S. I think it would be of tremendous value to all our members if we did a study and compared all the different programs and phases that have been recommended by the various authors of LC WOE and arrive at a consensus as to the proper carbs for induction, etc.
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Old Fri, Jul-20-01, 21:38
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P.S. I think it would be of tremendous value to all our members if we did a study and compared all the different programs and phases that have been recommended by the various authors of LC WOE and arrive at a consensus as to the proper carbs for induction, etc.


Great idea Joe! Why don't you start the research for the study?

Karen
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Old Fri, Jul-20-01, 21:57
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Plan: modified Dr. A
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Karen, I only come up with the ideas......it requires a Committee to do this study.....

Only the most experienced LC WOE should be considered qualified to participate in this Committee.

After all I am only a novice in this WOL, having just started in mid March of this year.

Now that you have asked me, I would probably recommend, yourself, Wa'il, and Doreen, and others.

Regards
Joe

I will mention it to Doreen on Sunday, if she doesn't read this before then.
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Old Sat, Jul-21-01, 02:14
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But Joe! Through study and teaching, we learn.

I think you're prime for Committee Chair!

Karen
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Old Sat, Jul-21-01, 10:48
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Plan: Atkins/PP/BFL
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I actually like the idea of a comparative study of LC plans. This will require help from many people, each describing their plan, since no one person can know them all. I'm comfortable describing, Atkins and PP, but there are many others plans that I don't know the details of, or have the time to read all the books available.

If each person following a plan would summarize the main points and guilines in just a few paragraphs, I can post an initial document, and request further corrections and addtions, until we get it right.

How does that sound?

Wa'il
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Old Sat, Jul-21-01, 11:46
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Plan: modified Dr. A
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Great start idea Wa'il!

Can I make a few sugestions on the layout and initial procedure beyond your ideas?

1. To decide which Plans to compare, let's refer to our own Poll that lists all the published plans and layout a short initial list of headings across the top of the page. ie
Atkins-- CAD-- P.P.-- etc.

2. Down the left side of the page we can list by number the different questions.
Starting with, ie
1. Induction Time (min. period in weeks)
2. Max. carbs per day (in grams)
3. No. of phases in plan
4. Maintanence Time
5. Max. carbs allowed in maint.(in grams)
6. Etc. The rest of the questions can actually originate from the new inductees. Each new member has posted questions in the past that can actually be of value in this Consensus.

We can then fill in the apropriate answer under each heading.

I am certain a lot more questions can come to your mind, in order to do a comparison of the diferent plans.

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Joe
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Old Sat, Jul-21-01, 12:07
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Plan: Atkins/PP/BFL
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Jo, great ideas are racing right now

Keep'em coming folks!

Wa'il
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Old Sat, Jul-21-01, 12:09
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See Joe! You have become the Chair!

Y'all probably know this, but ASDLC has a synopsis of quite a few of the plans. When I'm finished with Potatoes Not Prozac, I can do a write up unless there are some lurkers out there who have experience with it and would like to give us a hand. I'm also PP babe although it looks like I'm following Atkins.

Karen
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Old Sat, Jul-21-01, 15:07
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joe, i'm going to see you tomorrow and i'm really looking forward to it!! i think you should run with this joe!! you've got the picture in your mind! as karen said, you're already the chair! i love your plan! let's do it!!
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Old Sat, Jul-21-01, 17:53
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Plan: Atkins
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Good plan there. I like it
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Old Sun, Jul-22-01, 18:59
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Wa'il, I have already researched and summarised 4 such diets. These are:- The Harvey/Banting diet, the Stone Age diet (Mackarness), the Blake Donaldson meat-only diet and Atkins' "New Diet Revolution" diets. These are currently summarised in 4 pages of text as part of the guide I send out. I will send you a copy as an attachment to an e-mail to your private e-mail site. You will probably need to summarise it down even further for your purposes, but this could be a good start for this project.
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Old Mon, Jul-23-01, 00:51
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Plan: Atkins/PP/BFL
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Andy.

Excellent contribution! I now have something to work on, while members send in their entries.

As Jo suggested, these are the diets listed in our poll (minus the ones Andy provided).

If you follow, or are familiar with any of these diets, please post or send a breif summary of concepts/plan:

Body Opus
CKD
Carbohydrate Addicts
Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solution
Insulin Control Diet
Ketogenic
Montignac
Neanderthin
Paleolithic Diet
Protein Power
Schwarzbein Principle
Sommersizing
Stillman Diet
Sugar Busters
The Zone

This should be an interesting collective project.

Wa'il
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Old Mon, Jul-23-01, 01:29
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Wa'il, you should post this request in the Main LC forum. There may be a few lurkers (and non-lurkers) who would love to write about their plan.

Karen
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Old Mon, Jul-23-01, 01:36
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Plan: Atkins/PP/BFL
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Originally posted by Karen
Wa'il, you should post this request in the Main LC forum. There may be a few lurkers (and non-lurkers) who would love to write about their plan.


Hmmm, I thought this is the main LC forum!?!?

Wa'il
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Old Mon, Jul-23-01, 08:00
jomil jomil is offline
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Plan: modified Dr. A
Stats: 214.5/214.5/150 Male 66 in.
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Location: Mississauga, Ontario
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Wa'il you are doing a fantastic job on this new LC Consensus programme! Keep up the good work!

If Andy's comparison is dealing with other LC Plans ( which I was not aware of) should we not consider including them with our list of Plans, especially if we are trying to be of service to the International members?

Are you planning on publishing a treatise of each of the different plans in this Forum before you actually do a comparison list?

Can we get volunteers to do each of the plans?

I will volunteer to do Montignac, because I have his book right now from the library. But I need some guidelines as to the content of the treatise. Perhaps Andy's comparison would be a good guideline of how to start.

Regards
Joe
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