Thanks Mitch and I couldn't agree with you more. Many "so-called" weight loss experts can't even control their own weight. LOL! When you fully understand the process, you should have the results, like we do, to show for it. Great job on your success so far. I love to see someone who tracks and reduces their body fat %.

Oh, I wanted to also mention that while the Japanese have the title for living the longest today, which many people (erroneously I might add) say it's because of their low-fat, high carb diet. The second longest living folks are the Swedes, who consume large amounts of animal fat, and they are second by only two months! Hell, maybe someone should write a book called The Swedish Diet for Longevity . . . any Swedes on the forum

SATURATED FAT IS NOT BAD FOR US
why start a discussion i fully agree with you!!!
why does everyone think i'm saying the opposite???????,



true, but remember that dietary cholesterol has nothing to do with cholesterol in your blood

its is a high LDL with a high particle size that is bad, thats what i'm trying to say as some quacks are saying a LDL is never bad

WesleyT, my post wasn't addressed to you. You're following Dr. Ellis's UDS, so of course you don't believe saturated fat is bad for you. My comments were directed towards Whoa182. I didn't quote you or even mention your name, so why did you assume I was addressing you directly?

Also, what's with all the screaming?

I think Ravnskov is correct and so does Anthony Colpo. Both wrote entire books addressing the issue and conclude that blood cholesterol does not cause heart disease and even use existing research and studies to support their position, albeit with different conclusions. Conclusions that they carefully explain why they are right and the other guy is wrong. How is writing an entire book to support your conclusions in any way 'bombastic"?



I disagree. What he does is show why the cause of heart disease is related to blood cholesterol, the current favorite. The other 'possibilities' are mentioned as possible candidates and confounding factors to the major medical's favorite son, cholesterol.



If you read the language used, "associated with" and '"strong independent predictor", it does not indicate that LDL cholestol is a causing heart disease. This is an important distinction. (also, as this is a study about individuals with diabetes, it is not very applicable to 'normal healthy' people.) Because of other evidence and reasoning supplied in books like Ravsnov and Colpo it suggests that agents (there can be more than one) that cause heart disease also can affect blood cholesterol. But it is VERY clear from the evidence that not all people with high blood cholestrol develop heart disease, and not all people with heart disease have high cholesterol.

Regards

i'm srry

No problem bro . . .

I agree that most PUFA's go rancid quickly,
Agree.

if it is generally understood that when people say "poly's" they are referring to omega-6's only, then thank you for the clarification.
Maybe. But in what form? To me PUFAs are any fatty acids that are unsaturated.

I didn't feel the need to break down the health benefits of ALA's vs. EPA and DHA (I agree with you)
Yes, but the body converts ALA to EPA and DH as needed which is around 5% or less. Supplementing with derivatives of parent EFAs such as EPA amounts to using them as a drug.

but I think you'll also agree that Omega-3's (regardless of their sub-class) are healthier than omega-6's.
You just acknowledged that PUFAs go rancid easily which they do. It is generally accepted that the biggest source of omega 6 in our diet is vegetable oils. But vegetable oils are not a good source of biologically active parent omega 6 and they were never intended to be. Vegetable oils are sold for taste, cooking and use for salad dressings etc. That is why you will never see a label that makes a claim for minimum (or any) EFA content because it is probable that by the time the product is consumed it contains little biologically active parent omega 6 but lots of adulterated (read toxic and unusable) omega 6. This little fact is typically ignored by those who research omega 6. Guess what oil is used for most research - corn oil. The extraction of corn oil requires high hydraulic pressure, high heat and solvents. Plus the oil is exposed to light which makes it go rancid up to 1000 times faster than oxygen. If you use rancid corn oil or any other source of adulterated omega 6 you would expect to get a negative result.

But the central issue is that both parent omega 3 and parent omega 6 must be present at the same time and in the correct ratio in the body in order to assess their effect. Otherwise the results serve to confirm nothing more than the effects of unbalancing omega 3 and 6.

If saturated fat is a heart harming substance then WHY has saturated fat restriction REPEATEDLY FAILED to lower CHD or total mortality in clinical dietary intervention trials?


If LDL "causes" atherosclerosis then WHY have autopsy and angiography/ebt studies shown NO CONNECTION between total or LDL cholesterol levels and extent of atherosclerosis?


These are two points Anthony Colpo brings up.




P.S. Anthony Colpo is the guy who is correct not Dr. Eades.

.... and if sat fat is sooooo bad, why do our bodies use it to store our excess energy. In times of "feast" it actually goes to the trouble of turning all the carbs and extra food we eat into sat fat and padding our bodies with it, so we can use it when we hit times of "famine"!

Ello friends and mongers

A song by HunterMan

Cows are fat, very very fat
Gorillas and Hippos are fat too
Plus their ugly as a rat
Because they don't eat Fat

Not like the Cat
The Cat ate Fat
But was muscley armed and not Fat

Ignoring that fantastic song The bottom line is that why live a hundred years as a sheep rather the one as a lion, no matter what, you will die and you legacy could be either 'Oh he or she lived for so long and accomplished so little' OR 'Oh he or she lived for a short time but accomplished so much'.

Eating lots of fat/meat and calories gives ones character the assertiveness and determination to accomplish their lives goals in a timely manner and leave no regrets.

Life is too short even if you live to 1000, do what you must today for tomorrow is no guarantee

Page 72 of Gary Taubes' book "Good Calories Bad Calories" talks about the Nurses Health Study, a massive, long-term study of the diets and health of a huge number of nurses. (don't want to make up numbers, trust me, it was a lot of nurses)

One finding they came up with was that for every 5% of increase in saturated fat calories replacing carbohydrate calories, the risk of breast cancer reduced by 9%.

Most of the fat-heart hypothesis, especially the fat-cholesterol-heart studies were done on men. When you do an analysis of the studies on women, it seems to point to the higher the cholesterol, the greater the overall longevity. Low cholesterol in all of the studies points to a higher overall mortality. They just don't highlight that in their study summaries because it goes against the accepted wisdom.

Read the book, it's quite good.

Plane

Yes, Taubes book, 'Good Calories, Bad Calories', is very good.

As a general rule low fat diets are associated with increased mortality. More interesting is that Taubes points out that research has shown that replacing saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat is associated with an increased incidence of cancer. This makes sense because the vegetable oils that are a major source of PUFAs in our diet are adulterated and thus not the same as the biologically active LA and ALA that are the essential fatty acids and which we need only a small amount in our diet.

People, People

Saturated fat is bad for You, when anybody finds Mr.You please tell him or her that.

On the other hand saturated fat is good for virtually every other human being, and honest independent studies prove that again and again.

Tell anyone from an unmodernized, uncorrupted native group not to eat animal fat and they'll flip you with their super human strength upside down landing savagely on your good for nothing butt, laugh at how humorously ignorant you are and then go on to live happy and eventful lives until they pass away peacefully in bed at the age of five hundred and fifty.