I only remember the 4 food groups charts, which stayed pretty much the same throughout my childhood and even shows up in a college textbook I still have from the early 70's. (I majored in Fashion Merchandising - but since that was classified under the Home Ec category, we were required to take one cooking class too)

The chart I'm most familiar with included only 4 servings of bread/cereals, 2-4 servings of dairy (depending on age), 4 servings of fruits and veggies combined, and at least 2 servings of meats/eggs/fish (or alternatives such as PB or beans).

Compared to that, it's no wonder those who followed the recommendations for the food pyramid packed on the weight, and are still packing on the weight using My Plate.

It took some digging around to find any definitive information about what constitutes a serving using my plate, and how many servings in each category are recommended each day for adults using My Plate, but these are the amounts for a 2,000 cal diet:



How those are supposed to "fit" in the designated sections on that plate is really beyond me.

They have the same amounts of room on the plate for meats and grains, but the total amount of meat is limited to 1/2 oz less than the grains - even though grains are almost always puffed up and 2 ounces of cheerios would be piled up and spilling over that grain section, but meat is compact, and 2 oz of meat would take up a pitifully small portion of the meat section.

Then we have dairy - which doesn't even have a section on the actual plate (it's off to the side, so you can either have milk or yogurt or cheese with your meal, but no more than 1 of those at a meal since you're only allotted 3 servings daily), but never mind that little detail - somehow the nutritionally deficient soy milk counts the exact same as real milk. (Don't even get me started on the push for fat free - good luck absorbing the calcium in either one without any dietary fats)

Oh and then for veggies, a "large sweet potato" (162 cals, 37 g carbs) counts the same as 2 cups of raw spinach. (12 calories, 2 carbs)

For fruits - one large banana won't fit in the fruit section of the tray unless you cut it up and pile up the pieces, but it still counts the same as a small apple or 1/2 cup of raisins. (Never mind that each of those fruits will occupy vastly different amounts of space in the fruit section.)

In the veggie section, 2 cups of raw spinach only counts as one cup of veggies, but 1 cup of cooked greens still counts as 1 cup of veggies (even though 2 cups of raw spinach will usually cook down to about 1/2 cup or less). And 1 small avocado somehow counts as a vegetable instead of a fruit.

But good news - you can have beans, peas or lentils as your meat alternative AND as your veggies! So you can really load up on those, they can cover both the meat and vegetable section of your plate!

(The ones who developed My Plate did a great job on making it near impossible to to figure out exactly which items in those amounts you need to choose from each category each day to get this to work out to 2,000 calories, never mind the actual amounts of vitamins and minerals that are nutritionally available.)

We only had canned spinach too - not very often, but when we did, we'd put a little cider vinegar on it. I really liked it like that. I don't recall it being gray looking or slimy, but depending on how it's prepared, I suppose it could seem slimy.

One time when they served spinach for a school lunch, I thought great, I like spinach! I gagged at the first taste, because it didn't have any vinegar on it. Maybe it seemed kinda slimy to me because it was "buttered spinach". I couldn't bring myself to eat it at all, and shuddered every time spinach was on the school lunch menu. Now if they'd had some vinegar to put on it, I might have been able to eat it, even with the butter on it too. (These days I also like creamed spinach - I haven't tried to make creamed spinach from canned spinach though -fresh or frozen works fine. I just can't eat raw spinach without it irritating my mouth though.)

Mom made velveeta mac'n'cheese too (60's version - no mac'n'cheese kits back then). Not very often, but when mom made it, it was a rather large pot of it (because those loaves of velveeta were about a pound or two, and the box of macaroni was also about a pound, which made a LOT of mac'n'cheese! This would have been back in the 60's, when Velveeta was legally considered to be cheese (the ingredients have changed since then, making it a pasteurized process cheese product)

I loved mac'n'cheese though. I also loved canned mac'n'cheese - not sure who made it way back then, maybe Chef Boyardee? I didn't care as much about the macaroni itself (even though the macaronis were often a couple of inches long, and full of the cheese sauce). I finally figured out once I went LC that the cheese sauce was what I really liked about it, so I had to figure out a way to make just the sauce using real cheese.

A lot of the assumptions of how much nutrition is in each form of food date back to the Roaring Twenties. Bioavailability is a concept that is going to tear up the old rules.

Like one of the reasons I dropped high oxalate foods was learning how this anti-nutrient blocks most of the vitamins and minerals I was supposedly getting. With a low appetite and immune/nervous sensitivity, I have to eat high utility food.

No food will do you any good if you can't digest it properly in order to absorb the nutrients from it. Might be due to an allergy, or a digestive issue , or leaky gut, or any number of other digestive issues.

My mom had Irritable Bowel Syndrome. Among the various problems associated with that, any kind of raw vegetables would pass through her digestive tract intact. There's no way that she was absorbing an adequate amount of nutrients from those foods, and most likely no nutrients at all from them.

Even nutrient absorption of certain foods with a normal digestive tract is unlikely anywhere near what the nutritional analyses claim, since some nutrients at least partially block the absorption of certain other nutrients.

CNN has an answer to your question:



https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/05/heal...ness/index.html


Of course not all statements in that article are universally true.

I've known people who ate loads of veggies (and not much else), but died at 35-45 from cancer.

I've known those who lived well past 90 who simply couldn't properly digest veggies and therefore ate very few (mostly cooked to death), and who did not experience any heart disease.

I've known those who lived to their mid 70's, ate mostly veggies and fruits, kept their weight low and stable their entire lives... and died from cardiac arrest anyway.

But as a definition of vegetable, it's fine - even though they first say there's no such thing as vegetables, LOL!

That's the oxalates. I had the same reaction to kiwi. Don't eat either anymore.

Many many food items have been tested in ruminants, as the are the proverbial "cash cow".

Im still looking for such indepth look at digestibility in humans. Hogs are the closest.

However, much has been done to damage the GI, from microbes to tight junction malfunction......which leads to reactions to the biochemicals that cross when they shouldn't.

Farmers make money when their farm animals are healthy. Our medical system makes money when we are ill.

Dave Mac interviews people about their diet and how their health improved. Like 400 people interviewed. Stunning to hear from the people who eliminated or reduced vegetables and relied on meat to fix their health issues. Dr Atkins called this the ultimate elimination diet.

Allowing the gut to heal. And allow body to eliminate the allergens that entered the body,as much as possible.

[The GI tract is a barrier. It's actually the same embryonic tissue as skin.]