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Old Tue, Jan-15-19, 02:43
M Levac M Levac is offline
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About the definition of keto. The word is ketogenic, just to be a bit pedantic, but I got a point, I promise.

A ketogenic diet isn't what the diet is, but what the diet does. That's because the word ketogenic means "of or relating to ketosis". Conversely, a low-carb diet isn't what the diet does, but what the diet is. That's because the term "low-carb" means "a property of the diet, specifically its relative carbohydrate content".

Since ketosis depends on various factors, and no two people respond to the same degree to the same carbohydrate content of a diet, yet all respond within a definable range, the diet's ketogenic potential varies within this range from one person to the next. This range is defined primarily by the carbohydrate content of the diet, and by the associated presence of ketones in the blood. The upper threshold is (often cited as) about 130g/carbs/day, whereby ketogenesis can only occur below this threshold.

So the point here is that in order to call a diet keto(genic), one must measure and detect ketones in the blood either directly or indirectly (keto sticks or a blood ketone meter), and correlate this to the carbohydrates content of the diet one eats. I.e. what allows you to enter ketosis will not necessarily allow me the same; and above a threshold, neither of us can achieve ketosis.
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Old Tue, Jan-15-19, 06:30
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For Martin, I have changed my designated plan to Atkins Induction, which most people here will understand.

However, out in the ignorant world, I will refer to it as keto, just because that will give them the information they seek, and will bring them adequate info if they use it in a seatch engine.
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Confirmation this was all a publicity stunt. She has doubled down and challenged Al Roker (!?!) to a debate.
https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/258807...P26Bt1 SPo0wB8

How about you debate Dr. Phinny, Westman, Eades, Ludwig, or any number of clinical researchers rather than a weatherman?
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Old Yesterday, 08:32
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Confirmation this was all a publicity stunt. She has doubled down and challenged Al Roker (!?!) to a debate.
https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/258807...P26Bt1 SPo0wB8

How about you debate Dr. Phinny, Westman, Eades, Ludwig, or any number of clinical researchers rather than a weatherman?


Why listen to a side show when we have access to the real deal?
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Old Yesterday, 08:47
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During Wednesday's episode of "Watch What Happens Live With Andy Cohen," the outspoken host named Michaels the "Jackhole of the Day."

"Donít feel bad, keto diet," Cohen continued. "A lot of people think Jillian Michaels is a bad idea."

Roker, the high-profile "Today" weather anchor, took to Twitter to slam Michaels for her remarks.

"So ~JillianMichaels says #Keto is a bad idea. This from a woman who promoted on camera bullying , deprivation, manipulation and more weekly in the name of weight loss," he tweeted last week. "Now those sound like bad ideas."

Michaels doubled down on her claims despite the backlash, challenging Cohen and Roker to lay out their reasoning behind their beliefs.

"I have an idea... ~Andy ~alroker how about a civil intelligent debate on The 6 Keys book and keto instead of personal attacks and name calling?" she tweeted in response. "Iím also a motivator and I know you guys can do this."

In another tweet, Michaels sent Roker a video message: "If you want to debate the personal sciences of keto, by all means let's do that. But the personal attacks are bizarre. It's unnecessary. It's uncalled for. It's beneath both of us."


I'm not sure Jillian Michaels knows the difference between personal attacks and criticism. I'd call Jackhole of the day a personal attack, if a satirical one. Roker didn't make a personal attack, he's making an accusation, there's a difference. Saying bad things about people is fair if the bad things are actually true. Jillian needs to show that breaking people down emotionally in the name of weight loss isn't bullying. Notice the call for debate leaves her performance on the Biggest Loser out of things, even though the criticism of her focuses entirely on that.
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From High Intensity Health, a science-based response:
Jillian Michaels Slams Keto (botches these facts)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt7CRzPjnmM

As to JMís time on The Biggest Loser, I remember hearing reports that she said to a fellow trainer, ďLetís go torture fat people.Ē
JM cannot speak to people with long-standing metabolic issues. She has not lived this.
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Old Yesterday, 09:23
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Look at this in the USA Today article
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Bryant Stamford, a kinesiology professor at Indiana's Hanover college, said in a column for the Courier Journal that the diet can foster short-term success but is often unsustainable. He always asks adherents to email him back after they had been on it for a year, he said.

"In all the many years I have been doing this, and with regard to all kinds of bizarre diets, not one person has ever contacted me a year later."
Either his experience with people on ketogenic diets is very limited or he's lying. Maybe there aren't too many people who stay one hundred percent in ketosis for a year but there are lots of people who lose and keep it off by eating very low carb. Soon, I believe there will be millions of us, (if there aren't millions of us already).
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This isn't proof that people don't adhere to a ketogenic diet. It's proof that they don't adhere to maybe the crappiest study design ever. "Call me, and if you don't, I'll assume the negative."

Please personal message me within a year if you don't ride off on a unicorn and permanently reside in Narnia. Nobody ever answers me. Narnia must be getting crowded. The logic is not strong with this one.
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Old Yesterday, 13:00
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I've been lowcarbing since 2003! I have backslid here and there, but never went back to my previous levels of carbs.

Maybe I should contact that guy
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Old Yesterday, 23:51
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This is all a stunt. I think we need to give up on this thread. We have the correct knowledge and intelligence. Need to forget about Jillian Michaels. IMHO 🙃
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