About the definition of keto. The word is ketogenic, just to be a bit pedantic, but I got a point, I promise.

A ketogenic diet isn't what the diet is, but what the diet does. That's because the word ketogenic means "of or relating to ketosis". Conversely, a low-carb diet isn't what the diet does, but what the diet is. That's because the term "low-carb" means "a property of the diet, specifically its relative carbohydrate content".

Since ketosis depends on various factors, and no two people respond to the same degree to the same carbohydrate content of a diet, yet all respond within a definable range, the diet's ketogenic potential varies within this range from one person to the next. This range is defined primarily by the carbohydrate content of the diet, and by the associated presence of ketones in the blood. The upper threshold is (often cited as) about 130g/carbs/day, whereby ketogenesis can only occur below this threshold.

So the point here is that in order to call a diet keto(genic), one must measure and detect ketones in the blood either directly or indirectly (keto sticks or a blood ketone meter), and correlate this to the carbohydrates content of the diet one eats. I.e. what allows you to enter ketosis will not necessarily allow me the same; and above a threshold, neither of us can achieve ketosis.

For Martin, I have changed my designated plan to Atkins Induction, which most people here will understand.

However, out in the ignorant world, I will refer to it as keto, just because that will give them the information they seek, and will bring them adequate info if they use it in a seatch engine.

Confirmation this was all a publicity stunt. She has doubled down and challenged Al Roker (!?!) to a debate.
https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/258807...P26Bt1 SPo0wB8

How about you debate Dr. Phinny, Westman, Eades, Ludwig, or any number of clinical researchers rather than a weatherman?

Why listen to a side show when we have access to the real deal?

I'm not sure Jillian Michaels knows the difference between personal attacks and criticism. I'd call Jackhole of the day a personal attack, if a satirical one. Roker didn't make a personal attack, he's making an accusation, there's a difference. Saying bad things about people is fair if the bad things are actually true. Jillian needs to show that breaking people down emotionally in the name of weight loss isn't bullying. Notice the call for debate leaves her performance on the Biggest Loser out of things, even though the criticism of her focuses entirely on that.

From High Intensity Health, a science-based response:
Jillian Michaels Slams Keto (botches these facts)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt7CRzPjnmM

As to JM’s time on The Biggest Loser, I remember hearing reports that she said to a fellow trainer, “Let’s go torture fat people.”
JM cannot speak to people with long-standing metabolic issues. She has not lived this.

Look at this in the USA Today articleEither his experience with people on ketogenic diets is very limited or he's lying. Maybe there aren't too many people who stay one hundred percent in ketosis for a year but there are lots of people who lose and keep it off by eating very low carb. Soon, I believe there will be millions of us, (if there aren't millions of us already).

This isn't proof that people don't adhere to a ketogenic diet. It's proof that they don't adhere to maybe the crappiest study design ever. "Call me, and if you don't, I'll assume the negative."

Please personal message me within a year if you don't ride off on a unicorn and permanently reside in Narnia. Nobody ever answers me. Narnia must be getting crowded. The logic is not strong with this one.

I've been lowcarbing since 2003! I have backslid here and there, but never went back to my previous levels of carbs.

Maybe I should contact that guy

This is all a stunt. I think we need to give up on this thread. We have the correct knowledge and intelligence. Need to forget about Jillian Michaels. IMHO 🙃

While this thread would have fit in the War Zone, it's a good release for many to blow off steam when we hear pseudo celebrities spouting false information. I know this is not the only forum of voices who have challenged this person. Likely, many needed to vent in response to the diatribe. This is a good sign when the masses start to call BS when ignorant comments are made public.

Totally agree. Obviously I keep reading. 🤣

It's a stunt that is backfiring on her since so many people know the truth now. Everywhere I turn someone else is taking about LC and Keto!

Downloaded a new bonus podcast by Mike Mutzel of HIH. Calm, using "real science" to respond to Jillian, who did seem to be pulling big sciencey words out of her hat without knowing any pesky details.

It started as two YouTubes and the response was so favorable...here it as a podcast for your walk. #254 Bonus: Intermittent Fasting VS Calorie Restriction- A review of the Research https://highintensityhealth.com/lis...health-podcast/

Jillian Michaels Trashes Keto, Badly Botches The Nutritional Science

https://highintensityhealth.com/jil...tional-science/. (DancinGurl posted above)

with bonus #2:

Intermittent Fasting and Time Restricted Feeding Benefit Explained, Resources. (Related to above. Biggest loser vs Ketogenic with TRE diets)

https://highintensityhealth.com/int...-in-easy-terms/

Thanks Jey! You find the most interesting stuff.