First of all, that great that you are volunteering for the Red Cross pharmacy. I loved your post. I think it is folks like the nurse and folks like you that are knowedgeable about LC and diet are making a positive difference.

I don't think keto crotch is technically "fake." It's been written up and dramatized in a totally ridiculous way, though.

You know how you get bad breath when you're in ketosis because you're breathing out all those ketones from your lungs? That's all that's going on, just at the other end of women's bodies. They're burning ketones and if someone gets their face up close, then they can smell them. That's it. Smelly bits caused by ketosis = keto crotch.

How close? Could this happen in an elevator? On a city bus? In line at the DMV? Would that person be liable to arrest? Just wondering....

Nope, not even plausible. I mean, in my opinion it's not plausible.

With the bad breath, it's the breath, not the mouth, and it doesn't come from the mouth, it comes from the lungs, and not from the lungs themselves, but from the air expelled from the lungs. So, even if there was some smell down there, it wouldn't be the crotch, it would be the pee, and it wouldn't come from the crotch, it would come from the bladder, and not from the bladder itself, but from the liquid expelled from the bladder.

This is the stuff I was talking about with my blog post Innate Preconceptions, which is a conclusion drawn from the obvious. In the case of bad breath associated with ketosis, this would be the conclusion that since it comes from the mouth (that's where we exhale from), then the cause of the problem must be the mouth.

Well, let's extend this innate preconception, this conclusion drawn from the obvious, and apply it to ketones being expelled through urine. If ketones stink when expelled through breath, then they must also stink when expelled through urine. And if the cause of this stink is the mouth, then the cause of the other stink must be the crotch.

See, the bladder isn't the cause of ketones, it's merely the container of ketones in liquid form. And not for the purpose of storage for later use, but for the purpose of storage for later disposal. The crotch then is not the cause of ketones, but the means of disposal of liquid ketones. Just like the lungs aren't the cause of ketones, they're merely the container of ketones in gas form. And not for the purpose of storage for later use, but for the purpose of storage for immediate disposal. And the mouth then is not the cause of ketones, but the means of disposal of gaseous ketones.

This innate preconception can also be used to imply that ketones in the breath and ketones in the urine is caused by some infection, which is likely to be true for most other bad smells coming from either place. Suffice to say, knowing the actual cause of ketones and the smell allows us to quickly dispel any incorrect innate preconceptions, any conclusion drawn from the obvious.

-edit- Sorry, ketones isn't specific enough. To be specific, I should say acetone instead because that's what the smell actually is. And we can only smell it because acetone tends to come out of solution - to go from liquid to gas - very quickly depending on things like pressure and temperature, and tends to remain gaseous if the conditions that took it out of solution are maintained, which happens to be the case with breath and urine. In other words, for the smell to stick to surfaces (like the mouth and the crotch), it must re-enter solution and the conditions just don't allow this to occur.

M Levac, ladies and gentlemen, who gives science far more thought than whoever dreamed this rumor up.

Hehe, that's me alright.

VERY close. I was trying to keep my answer PG-13, but you'd have to be VERY close, if you get my drift.
I see where you're going with your response, but people who are in heavy ketosis often even have a smell coming off their skin. Coupled with what is normally a closed, warm, damp environment which would emphasize this, I think it is plausible.

The media stories are still ridiculous.

It just occurred to me that this may not be the complete story, as if we can expect the second move soon. Kinda like here, this is the bad guy and here's why, give enough time for it to sink in, and then later, hey this is the good guy, cuz he's not the bad guy cuz he doesn't do this, remember?

I don't know what's next, but on another LC forum, someone mentioned that there was a story about LC diets causing an 18% increase in A-fib. Someone else in the thread mentioned that the study itself won't even be published until next week, so I don't even know how the article author came across this information. I haven't read the article yet - will do that and get back with a link.

Ah - here's the quote that's going to link this article to the K***c***** story:



https://www.pacificsandiego.com/sns...0308-story.html


(Not sure I'm doing the link correctly - if it doesn't work, please let me know how to fix it.)

They don't mention that acetone breath only lasts for a couple of weeks in the people who get it (not usually a problem if you drink enough water). As your body adapts, it uses the ketones for energy and no longer excretes them.

Oh, it's the A-fib. And a summary of the study defines low carb as less than 45% of calories.

And this was quoted at me at lunch on Friday — that’s all my friend knew and now she’s worried. When she shouldn’t be.

And, THIS is the Black Box Warning on the next stage of drugs for my autoimmune:



This type of drug has these further warnings:



Because it turns out shutting down the immune system creates a long term problem.

Another killer drug.
Imagine dying from a scratch because your immune system was shut down with this drug!
It's like cutting off your nose to spite your face.....