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Originally Posted by inflammabl
Um, no. I have to disagree. That's not what we have been told half a thousand times on this site citing one blogger's n=1 "experiment." We've been told that getting blood ketones up to 0.8 will at least be a symptom if not a cause of fat burning weight loss. We are supposed to reduce our carbs and reduce our protein intake and even buy a gizmo with $5 a shot cards and magic will happen. Again, it's been stated many, many, many times as the truth.
Here we have data from a very credible source with just as many trials, 1, as was used to create that 0.8 false certainty.
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A symptom of fat loss can be a symptom of weightloss. On a day-by-day basis? Not necessarily. I'm talking the weightloss here. Starve totally. As long as you're alive, over days and weeks, you must be losing fat. Day to day, weight can go up or down. That old body water thing.
Anyways, what's Jimmy say?
http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/...y-331-360/18365
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Some have wondered how often they should be testing their blood ketones and the answer to that is up to you. I think if you measure once or twice in the morning and night each week should give you an idea of where you stand.
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Okay, he advocates strips as a useful tool for making sure you're in ketosis. I can't really fault that. I don't think it's necessary to track as often as Jimmy did... unless maybe you need that extra something to keep you honest. When people were being taken in by the low-carb claims of Dreamfield Pasta... or various low carb products that contain sugar alcohols (which didn't fool Dr. Bernstein for one second--for a type I diabetic, the fact that sugar alcohols count towards your carb count is obvious with just a blood glucose monitor). A ketone monitor would have seen right through those shams.
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Not everyone necessarily needs to be in nutritional ketosis to see the same kind of changes that I have seen. But if you’ve struggled and can’t seem to get anything else to work, it’s certainly worth giving it a try.
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It's certainly worth giving it a try isn't quite the same as, go in to nutritional ketosis, and you're guaranteed weight loss.
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As long as I am above 1.0 millimolar most of the time, I know I am burning fat for fuel.
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This statement does bother me a little. If you're over six feet, male, eating 80 grams of protein a day, 85 percent fat, little in the way of carbs--you don't really need a ketone meter to know you're burning fat. Just continuing breathing is good enough evidence that you're burning fat.
You can be burning 70 percent or more fat without even being in ketosis.
My personal theory with Jimmy is that he has a problem with carbohydrate addiction. Not everybody who's fat has that, and not everybody to his degree. He reports drinking a dozen full sugar colas, whole boxes of L'il Debbie cakes, bags of Twizzlers (licorice), etc., in the past. And being rolled up on the couch with withdrawal when he first went on Atkins. If we believe him--this isn't typical. When he used to have his daily menu blog, I remember posts where he'd take low-carb bars, add whipped cream with sweeteners, then pour daVinci syrup over the mess... Stephan Guyunet would say, ooh, reward value, palatability. I say, symptom of sugar cravings... and some actual sugars coming in, in the form of the bits of bulking sugar and the powdered sweetener, and larger amounts of carbohydrate in the form of sugar alcohols. For me, syrup poured over cake or cookie-like substances hasn't seemed like a good idea since I was a kid... Elevated ketones seems like a plausible strategy for fighting sugar addiction specifically.
I guess studies with ketone esters will be useful to show whether ketones specifically might explain the results of a person like Jimmy.
And double for me with what Liz said about Elgrayso... nobody said nutritional ketosis was a wasting disease. Getting past a certain level of leanness is always going to be hard.
I've been eating more ketogenically most of this calendar year. Haven't lost weight... actually gone up a little. To 160, low was 154. I haven't been perfect with the diet though. This is the longest I've stayed this low since starting a low carb diet, usually I'll creep up to 170+ when eating to appetite.
I'm thinking I might try to get back down to 150 in the fall, when people are much less likely to offer me rum.