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Old Fri, Dec-17-21, 06:47
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Children and adults should avoid consuming animal products to reduce risk for chronic disease: NO

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Excessive attention to the animal versus plant binary food choice reflects society's moral views on eating right. To claim that avoidance of animal products is required to prevent chronic disease is not supported by evidence, makes little sense from an evolutionary perspective, and distracts policy makers from common-sense approaches to achieve adequate nutrition. Animal products provide highly bioavailable nutrients, some of which are not easily obtained from plants, and can play a key role in meeting the nutritional challenges of populations in both high- and low-income countries. This role goes beyond the need for protein and relates to vitamins, minerals, and numerous often-overlooked nutrients, such as long-chain fatty acids, taurine, and choline. Restrictive dietary prescriptions that exclude animal products complicate the quest for optimal nutrition by undermining dietary diversity and flexibility, and by introducing a dependency on fortification and supplementation. Thus, a vegan diet may put the general population at increased risk of poor nutrition, a problem of particular concern for those with special nutritional requirements.

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Old Fri, Dec-17-21, 12:23
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I love articles like this. Getting opposing points of view to come to the same table is becoming increasingly rare these days, and that in itself makes articles like these that much more valuable. Both points of view are presented, with citations aplenty for the reader to explore and judge for themselves how much of what they're reading is objective fact, and how much is coloured by the biases of the individual authors.

Any good conversation is as much about listening as it is about talking. As Phil Collins once sang, we always need to hear both sides of the story.
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Old Fri, Dec-17-21, 19:39
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It just makes sense. Humans have:
  • The teeth of an omnivore
  • The digestive enzymes of an omnivore
  • The alimentary canal of an omnivore

There are certain nutrients in meat that if we don't eat, our health deteriorates unless we fortify ourselves with supplements.

There are certain plant nutrients that if we don't eat, our health deteriorates unless we fortify ourselves with supplements.

Therefore, we must be obligate omnivores. It's a no-brainer

I would suspect anything that says we are anything but an omnivore to be an adicle (ad+article).

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Old Fri, Dec-17-21, 21:37
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A debate with Neal Barnard. Seriously. Is he still around? I thought he would've shriveled into some dessicated form by now, and blown away. Guess not. Oh well ...

Sorry, didn't read the whole thing. Barnard's anti-meat arguments are tired, uproven and even disproven. Nothing new here, move along .


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Vegan propaganda remains vegan propaganda especially when it poses as nutritional science. We need to distinguish between the moral issues concerning the treatment of animals from the nutritional issues concerning the health benefits of various ways of eating.
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Vegan propaganda remains vegan propaganda especially when it poses as nutritional science. We need to distinguish between the moral issues concerning the treatment of animals from the nutritional issues concerning the health benefits of various ways of eating.

The moral issues vary from person to person.

Me? I don't eat lobster in a tank with their claws bound, crabs boiled alive, veal, chicken, foie gras, and other foods where I think the animals have been tortured.

I do eat 100% grass-fed beef, pasture raised chicken eggs, wild caught fish, and other animals that live a nice life and die rather quickly.

I know life lives on life, and my body is built to eat animal protein, but I don't want to torture the animal first.

YMMV

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