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Old Sat, Jan-11-20, 03:29
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You'd think militant vegans would object to having to walk through the meat aisle to get to their pure fake meat nestled in between raw beef and pork.


I suspect the fake meat companies paid for that slot. But yes, you'd think they would complain about standing so close to dead animal parts.

There are are two different specialty health food stores I can access. One is where I work, and one is in my own town. One is aggressively vegetarian, and the other has evolved into total omnivore, with a great selection of humane meat from nearby farms. Their deli offers the hot meal of the day with tofu or meat (and I can't get it, even in a pinch, because both are served over rice, OF COURSE) but it's an indicator of how few numbers our vocal, and sometimes obnoxious, foes are.

The aggressive one markets themselves to that crowd, and gets more out of town visitors who look for such. The other is in a bigger town and gets more locals.
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If you were shocked by the reaction to Nina's BMJ article on Fat a few years ago...this OTT response to the JAMA "meat" article shows the "plant-based" folks are cranking up the heat. Led by David Katz of all people.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/ja...DYvoQBaS8ePMtaM

January 15, 2020
Backlash Over Meat Dietary Recommendations Raises Questions About Corporate Ties to Nutrition Scientists
Rita Rubin, MA
JAMA. Published online January 15, 2020.


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It’s almost unheard of for medical journals to get blowback for studies before the data are published. But that’s what happened to the Annals of Internal Medicine last fall as editors were about to post several studies showing that the evidence linking red meat consumption with cardiovascular disease and cancer is too weak to recommend that adults eat less of it.

Annals Editor-in-Chief Christine Laine, MD, MPH, saw her inbox flooded with roughly 2000 emails—most bore the same message, apparently generated by a bot—in a half hour. Laine’s inbox had to be shut down, she said. Not only was the volume unprecedented in her decade at the helm of the respected journal, the tone of the emails was particularly caustic.

“We’ve published a lot on firearm injury prevention,” Laine said. “The response from the NRA (National Rifle Association) was less vitriolic than the response from the True Health Initiative.”

The True Health Initiative (THI) is a nonprofit founded and headed by David Katz, MD. The group’s website describes its work as “fighting fake facts and combating false doubts to create a world free of preventable diseases, using the time-honored, evidence-based, fundamentals of lifestyle and medicine.” Walter Willett, MD, DrPH, and Frank Hu, MD, PhD, Harvard nutrition researchers who are among the top names in their field, serve on the THI council of directors.

Continues at link above....
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Katz, Willett, Hu - need we say more?
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Misleading epidemiology studies are why red meat, fats, and salt are demonized in web-based 'health' sites like this: https://www.healthcentral.com/slide...-blood-pressure
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Perhaps its time we all send a copy of Ninas book to our policymakers....
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Katz, Willett, Hu - need we say more?


The usual suspects.
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