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Old Mon, Jun-04-07, 07:40
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Default KIMKINS DIET in Woman's World Mag.

The Kimkin's Diet (a derivative of the Atkin's Diet) is featured in this month's Woman's World magazine. However, I am still skeptical considering every photo she has ever posted of herself looks like a different woman. I realize people look different when they have lost a lost of weight, but I am talking about photos of her AFTER she lost weight. Even her eyes are a different color. Also she pays "affiliates" to post success stories on other diet websites. If you really read up on the diet it is really mainly about calorie restriction. She says people can lose weight and stay healthy on as little as 500 calories a day (that part is not in the WW article) and exercise and drinking water are not neccessary. While I don't doubt people can lose weight that way, I don't think it's healthy.
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Old Mon, Jun-04-07, 18:05
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I agree with Fluffybear here. I have strong reservations about low carb and low fat together being healthy or a long term solution for weight loss. I would much rather listen to Drs Atkins and/or the Eades and all the current research about carb restricted diets. This just seems like the same old low calorie routine that cannot be sustained for life. Nyah Levi
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Old Tue, Jun-05-07, 10:25
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I am not only skeptical of Kimkins being a low fat, low calorie diet, but I am also skeptical of their marketing techniques. People on such websites are usual PAID to give their testimonials and Kimkins even offers an affiliate's program whereby people are paid a 25% commission for every person they send to the Kimkins website who joins. Now in my opinion that would be enough to make some unscrupulous people fudge on the facts or even lie about their own weight loss in order to earn money. From what I understand, this is not uncommon with commercial weight loss programs and with membership fees at $60, Kimkins is certainly a commercial enterprise.
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Old Tue, Jun-05-07, 10:56
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The diet itself is nothing new. A low fat, low carb low calorie plan has been around for ages. There was Stillman's in the 1960s and earlier. There have been many others.

Just googling "rabbit starvation" tells youwhat you need to know about low carb, low fat, low cal "diets".
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Old Tue, Jun-05-07, 11:07
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I figured it had to be a scam
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Old Tue, Jun-05-07, 11:09
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not to mention she started out here... just like any one of us tweaking at the diet.
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Old Tue, Jun-05-07, 13:02
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Originally Posted by fluffybear
The Kimkin's Diet (a derivative of the Atkin's Diet) is featured in this month's Woman's World magazine. However, I am still skeptical considering every photo she has ever posted of herself looks like a different woman. I realize people look different when they have lost a lost of weight, but I am talking about photos of her AFTER she lost weight. Even her eyes are a different color. Also she pays "affiliates" to post success stories on other diet websites. If you really read up on the diet it is really mainly about calorie restriction. She says people can lose weight and stay healthy on as little as 500 calories a day (that part is not in the WW article) and exercise and drinking water are not neccessary. While I don't doubt people can lose weight that way, I don't think it's healthy.


Strange - her old pictures (those that used to be up on her website) are gone....not only that, but even Jimmy Moore's blog (who included that old photo in posts about her) seems to have lost it too....the "way back" machine (website archives) has no pages stored to go back and see what they cached either.....and even Jimmy Moore's blog posts that were reprinted elsewhere (Low-Carb Newsline, CarbWire) - are all missing that older photo (of her slimmed down).

WHY?
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Old Tue, Jun-05-07, 13:11
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i dont know about the pictures and the cost of her program (I paid $30.00 for a lifetime membership many months ago...), but I do think she has hit the proverbial calories count nail right on the head. They do, and if you don't address that issue, particularly as you approach your ideal weight, you will be forever stalled...
the only question is, given all the other benefits of low carbing, do you care? if you do, it's time for to watch those portions. Kimkins provides a method and support structure for that purpose.
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Old Tue, Jun-05-07, 13:42
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A lot of people change eyecolor.
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Old Tue, Jun-05-07, 15:39
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Default Changing eye color does not change every feature

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A lot of people change eyecolor.


Unless she's had EXTENSIVE plastic surgery. Only those who saw her ORIGINAL weight loss photo compared to the one that was in the Woman's World article know what I am talking about. Make-up couldn't even account for such a change. Does the person in the red dress REALLY look like the same person as the photo before it OR the large one that was in Woman's World? ALL of these photos have been posted at one time or another by Kim (Kimmer) and said to be HER after photos.



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Old Wed, Jun-06-07, 15:04
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Unless she's had EXTENSIVE plastic surgery. Only those who saw her ORIGINAL weight loss photo compared to the one that was in the Woman's World article know what I am talking about. Make-up couldn't even account for such a change. Does the person in the red dress REALLY look like the same person as the photo before it OR the large one that was in Woman's World? ALL of these photos have been posted at one time or another by Kim (Kimmer) and said to be HER after photos.





I totally agree with Fluffybear. The original after photo looks (with the white shirt) like a completely different and much younger woman than the before photos. Understanding that losing a huge amount of weight makes most people look younger, but this is quite dramatic. The one with the red shirt (the current photo on her website) doesn't look at all like any of the others, except maybe for the haircolor, and the photo from woman's world just looks like any number of generic print models.
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Old Thu, Jun-07-07, 05:26
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I totally agree with Fluffybear. The original after photo looks (with the white shirt) like a completely different and much younger woman than the before photos. Understanding that losing a huge amount of weight makes most people look younger, but this is quite dramatic.


The first 'after' also looks like it's from an earlier time period that the 'before' as well!

I remember as well that someone noticed that one of the 'after' pictures of one of her 'customers' on her website was actually some model called Louise Vyent (so it wouldn't suprise me to learn other photos are also fake):
http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=323747
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Old Sat, Jun-09-07, 07:38
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We're supposed to believe that last one, in the red dress, is someone who is 49 years old? Puh-leez

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Old Sat, Jun-09-07, 10:20
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We're supposed to believe that last one, in the red dress, is someone who is 49 years old? Puh-leez



this is all rather beside the point, isnt it?

the real point here is, does a reduced calorie, reduced fat, low carb approach to dieting work better than your standard low carb plan? I'd say the answer is a resounding yes, particularly when a standard lc plan leaves you stalled out rather short of your goal.

although I'm not too sure about long term maintainability of this type of plan, or of the impact on health if you take the extremely low calorie route (I dont plan to!)....

for me, I just want to use a quasi-kimkins style approach get back to my goal weight, and then take it from there... by then I should have a good idea of how much I can eat to keep that weight level... If I am hungry all the time, then I'll probably decide it aint worth it. but I do want to get there just once.
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Old Sat, Jun-09-07, 10:53
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this is all rather beside the point, isnt it?

Not really.

Kimkins is being discussed and it appears that the woman herself may be a complete fake.

PSMF etc. is also being discussed in this thread, but so is 'Kimmer' and her authenticity.
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