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Old Fri, Oct-09-09, 08:21
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What about using Agave syrup as a sweetner -- does that work as well as stevia?

Ouch that's 80% fructose. Believe me the word "toxin" should be on the label of Agave syrup! I'm not kidding!

Splenda would be the best second choice to stevia.

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Old Sat, Oct-10-09, 05:40
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What about using agave syrup for a sweetner rather than honey?
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Old Sat, Oct-10-09, 07:45
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What about using agave syrup for a sweetner rather than honey?

It would be much worst than honey. Like I said, Agave syrup is 80% fructose.

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Old Sun, Oct-11-09, 20:19
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Thanks for your insight.
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Are we allowed to eat beans and peas? I know not to eat corn and rice, but I was wondering about complex carbohydrates.

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Old Wed, Oct-14-09, 08:22
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I'm very strongly against complex carbohydrates for candida. Both the Specific Carbohydrate Diet and the low-FODMAP diet have bad things to say about them.

Beans contain a galactan called raffinose, which can ferment in the gut (cruciferous vegetables have it too). That's why they give some people gas.

Peas are legumes too, but they don't seem as bad. You could experiment and see.

Beans also contain lectins. NancyLC recently posted this link:

http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

Curiously, some candida diets (such as FODMAP) say that certain grains are fine, like white rice. Pure starch is digested quickly and some believe candida and gut bacteria don't get an opportunity to munch on it.
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Old Fri, Oct-16-09, 07:00
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The yeast free diet (feast without Yeast):

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/09...98M3N2BXHTQBWJP

on the other hand warns against low carb diets, suggesting that excessive meat results in a more debilitating and pathogenic intestinal flora long term. They do recommend restricting certain starchy carbs depending on the level of the diet followed (with gluten and dairy restricted in one of the more advanced levels if no benefit is felt earlier).

The diet was developed by a psychiatrist and a National Cancer Institute researcher with access to US army germ warfare labs. They developed it to help their autistic son.

The four most important things to eliminate early on are:

Vinegar
Barley malt
Alcohol
Coffee (often mold contaminated and it excites the intestinal track disrupting normal function which includes inhibiting various pathogenic species)
Also, according to this study, drinking coffee was associated with an increased prevalence of active H pylori infection:
http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract/315/7121/1489 Other studies have not shown an association.


This works for most people (I think 90%).

Other foods eliminated in later stages include aged cheese, chocolate (dried with fungus), many nuts, peanut products and corn and anything made with corn.

Beef is recommended over chicken because chicken fat often has mold related toxins in it from chickens eating cottonseed and other often mold contaminated foods.

The book recommends nystatin to help eliminate yeast, but oil of oregano might even be better.

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Old Fri, Oct-16-09, 09:56
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Beef is recommended over chicken because chicken fat often has mold related toxins in it from chickens eating cottonseed and other often mold contaminated foods.

That's interesting. I've noticed that chicken is sometimes a bit iffy for me. Stock is usually fine, and very well-cooked chicken (skin totally crispy) is usually okay. Even rendered chicken fat seems fine, but if I eat skin that's even slightly mushy, I get nausea right away and diarrhea later. I'm usually better off if I eat some bones with the meat and skin.

It's been disappointing because I've made friends with some Amish/Mennonite farmers who use Joel Salatin's methods, so in theory their chicken should be the best you can get, but I seem to be very sensitive to it.

Pork fat sometimes has a similar effect.
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I get a similar bad reaction sometimes. I'm thinking it's due to either a fungus toxin related effect or because of high amts of arachidonic acid, which both fats are rich in, especially pork fat, or amines, which both pork and chicken skin are high in (but not chicken meat). Or something else.

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Old Fri, Oct-16-09, 10:17
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I just learned something fascinating in another thread:

http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthre...723#post7926723

One reason fat can give you diarrhea, it seems, is that you might not produce enough bile to emulsify it. Indeed, I seem to be fine with fat emulsions like mayonnaise and reduction sauce. So maybe it's not a microbial problem at all. I need to start making pate!
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Old Fri, Oct-16-09, 10:24
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I don't know - my effect also includes fatigue/feeling unwell and a weird puffiness to my skin. It happens quickly. But maybe that could be that still.
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Old Tue, Oct-27-09, 09:51
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Default Antifungals for Candida

Has anybody had any experience with Lufenuron as an antifungal? I've read about it at owndoc.com, but I'd like to hear from people who've actually used it before I try it.

It's apparently a substance that wrecks the chitin in the cell wall of the yeast, causing it to die. Supposed to be extremely effective against candida and also totally harmless to humans.
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