I do not see how the fact that improving an unhealthy diet can help to change a situation of poverty constitutes an explanation as to the cause of it originally. I do see how poverty caused by anything at all would cause an inadequate diet, unless people are living in a situation where they can grow and hunt all the necessary food. I also see how an inadequate diet could be the cause, but unless it is the only possible cause, it should not be discussed as though it is.

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These are also the people who have access to organised healthcare, where knowledge of the value of early detection of diabetes, and routine testing can be applied, and information about the symptoms can be accessed.




Which you already seem to be aware of in terms of it's relevance to likely diagnosis rates in India.

Yes, that's exactly my point. That describes both the Indian middle class, and nearly all citizens of the USA. Yet the rate of diagnosed diabetes in India's middle class is twice that of the US. I think it's very likely the rate of undiagnosed diabetes in India is even higher.

Dietary induction of colonic tumors in a mouse model of sporadic colon cancer.........................The "new Western diet" (NWD) also caused general down-regulation of genes encoding enzymes involved in lipid metabolism and the tricarboxylic acid cycle in colonic epithelial cells before tumor formation, which was prevented by the supplementation of the NWD with calcium and vitamin D(3) that prevented colon tumor development, demonstrating profound interaction among nutrients.................
Just in case anyone isn't aware of what they can do to reduce their risk of colon cancer and before anyone says this isn't relevant to the India population where there is plenty of sunshine click here

Yeah... I'll take hyperinsulinemia for $500, Alex.

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The point that I was making with

Was a response to this point

Which I was attempting to make clear by quoting that exact part in the first place.



I would have thought that the diagnosis rate in India is lower than that in the USA, yes. You could well be right regarding the figures taken from just the wealthier section of the population in India, and the number of diabetics. This however, does not make any difference to the issue of how life expectancy figures are calculated, and the fact that they can be lowered by high infant mortality rates, and high rates of infectious diseases. Based on what I have read in this thread, showing me how certain some people are that diet can dominate a nation's life expectancy rate, and that they actually believe life expectancy figures are a genuine marker of the expected life span of an adult in any given nation, I am wondering if we should just find out which nation has the longest life expectancy figures and all eat whatever they eat.