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Old Sun, Aug-20-23, 03:18
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Default Whey, Collagen, Casein, Beef Protein Powders..

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What started out as a short article about What’s the Best Protein Powder (For You)? has ended up covering a variety of supplemental protein sources including ones I’ve never heard of before. At the beginning, the Cons of using powders rather than real food e.g. beef, eggs, etc. are listed in detail.

https://optimisingnutrition.com/bes...powder-for-you/

But if you still have questions about collagen vs goat whey powder, this may have the answer. Covers all the vegetarian powders too. One I found interesting, to place in General Low carb forum is Beef Protein, the latest new fad in the carnivore world.

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Beef-Based:
If dairy doesn’t work for your body or fit into your preferences, but you still eat animal based, you may have come across beef-based protein, which is currently all the rage within the keto and carnivore communities.

Although it can be appealing, beef-based proteins often aren’t what you’d think they are. While you might think they’re made from some beef cut, they’re just overmarketed versions of collagen or gelatin.

Below, [in the article linked] Marty Kendall included the amino acid breakdown for the popular beef-based protein Equip. While it contains many essential amino acids, its cysteine, tryptophan, tyrosine, and methionine levels lag or lack compared to other protein sources. Beef protein is also relatively expensive in comparison to other protein powders, so you’re paying a lot more for an incomplete protein.


I have no issues using whey protein powders, so only the expense has kept me from buying Beef Protein, glad I waited to read this. I use whey more as a flavoring/mild sweetener, mixed into yogurt, cottage cheese or smoothie. No more than a scoop a day, Ascent brand now at Costco is made with stevia.

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I use Naked Whey, which is the only real kind I can find. I was getting sick from all the additives in the mixes. Which clogged the pipe in my sink!

I have an appetite challenge, and I use it in Greek yogurt smoothies. Sarcopenia researchers recommend it as a way to add protein to almost anything, and studies have shown this practice to make a dramatic difference in keeping muscles strong.

It's like a paroxysm of capitalism. Restaurants make money on food. No one should profit in other ways from food, but Fake Food is BIG.

I also wonder if we aren't going to have to apply the Beer Rule: 80% of the fake food is eaten by 20% of the population? Because I know people who never cook. And they're not getting bunless burgers.
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Old Sun, Aug-20-23, 10:47
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I've recently started taking casein first thing in the morning (I didn't use to have anything until 1pm) based on Dr Eades recommendation to get mTor working (or something like that!). He shared the chart in this post: https://www.prodiet-fluid.com/blog/...elderly-people/

I don't know how to take Marty's cassein comment:
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However, instead of immunoglobulins, casein notoriously provides specific peptides.

Are peptides good or bad?
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One of the first things I learned from Dr. Jack Kruse is resetting hormones with 50 grams of protein within 20 minutes of waking. That does work.

Though, without a chef on staff, a big smoothie was the only way I could consistently do that, as sick as I was.

I think it's that casein is heavy in peptides, not so much in others. Like B vitamins, we need a good base, then add specialty items as needed.

Based on that, I use whey protein and Greek yogurt.
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I don't know how to take Marty's cassein comment: 'Are peptides good or bad?'
I asked him on the webpage in the OP and he replied:
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So peptides are proteins. Peptides can initiate things like immune activity, body repair, etc… think BPC 157, thymosin alpha… if you’re familiar. They’re signaling molecules. It’s part of why something like colostrum is so beneficial for immune health; it has a rich peptide profile. See https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8653944/. The section on peptides towards the bottom near conclusions explains them a bit more
The paper says 40g of casein is required to trigger the mTor response but only 25g of whey protein. I therefore intend to get whey for the morning and have casein at some other part of the day for its particular benefits.
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