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Old Tue, Aug-28-18, 08:33
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Default The sugar wars: Rhetoric or reason?

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releas...80827110730.htm

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The sugar wars: Rhetoric or reason?
Have the ill effects of sugar been over-emphasized?

Over the past 50 years researchers, clinicians, professional organizations, and health charities have waged war on sugar, calling for dietary recommendations to be changed and for a sugar tax on soft drinks and sweet treats in an effort to reduce obesity and cardiovascular diseases. In 2014, the WHO recommended that adults and children reduce their daily intake of free sugars to less than ten percent of their total energy intake. But could the war on sugar be bad for your health? Experts present the arguments both for and against sugar in this hotly contested debate on the "Sugar Wars" published in Progress in Cardiovascular Diseases.

In his article, Edward Archer, PhD, of EvolvingFX, Jupiter, FL, USA, challenged the latest dietary recommendations and presented evidence from multiple domains to show that "diet" is a necessary but trivial factor in metabolic health. "Anti-sugar rhetoric is simply diet-centric disease-mongering engendered by physiologic illiteracy," he wrote. "My position is that dietary sugars are not responsible for obesity or metabolic diseases and that the consumption of simple sugars and sugar-polymers (e.g., starches) up to 75 percent of total daily caloric intake is innocuous in healthy individuals."

In defense of sugar, Dr. Archer argues that:

Biological life depends on sugar in its many forms, for example, sugars and sugar-polymers are major nutritive constituents of many foods and beverages including breast milk, dairy products, fruit, fruit juices, honey, sucrose (i.e., table sugar; a disaccharide of glucose, and fructose), sugar-sweetened beverages, rice, beans, potatoes, wheat, corn, quinoa, and other cereal grains.
Sugars and sugar-polymers have played critical roles in both human evolution and dietary history and were the major sources of nutrient-energy (calories) for most of the global population throughout human history.
"Diet-centric" researchers often ignore the fact that physical activity, not diet, is the major modifiable determinant of metabolic health.
The consumption of dietary sugars up to 80 percent of total energy intake is entirely innocuous in active populations.
There is strong, positive association between sugar availability/consumption and health.
Obesity and type 2 diabetes mellitus are not diet-related diseases but are metabolic conditions caused by the positive energy balance (i.e., over-nutrition) driven by physical inactivity in past and current generations.
In a Letter to the Editor, James J. DiNicolantonio, PharmD, and James H. O'Keefe, MD, of the Department of Preventive Cardiology, Saint Luke's Mid America Heart Institute, Kansas City, MI, USA, provide strong criticisms to Dr. Archer's positions by arguing that dietary sugar (either glucose, sucrose, or high-fructose corn syrup) is not necessary for life, and that humans did not consume refined sucrose or high fructose corn syrup throughout most of their evolution.

"The truth is you really can't outrun a bad diet, especially when it comes to overconsuming refined sugar. While it's true that exercise may reduce the risk of obesity from overconsuming refined sugar, it doesn't prevent dental cavities, inflammation of the gums, or inflammation that occurs in the intestine, liver, and kidneys when the body processes large amounts of sugar," say Dr. DiNicolantonio and Dr. O'Keefe. "Healthy populations that consume fairly high amounts of raw honey who also live hunter-gatherer lifestyles should not be used as an example to give an industrialized sedentary population an excuse to overconsume refined sugar. Importantly, raw honey is not the same as refined sugar."

In his rebuttal, Dr. Archer reasserts that obesity and metabolic diseases are caused by the confluence of physical inactivity and non-genetic evolutionary processes over many generations. He points out that by the late 1940s, both the life- and health-spans in the USA had increased dramatically despite half of all infants being reared on infant formula -- a 100 percent artificial/synthetic product containing around 40 percent of calories from added sugars (e.g., lactose, sucrose, glucose, fructose, and/or corn syrup). He concludes: "It is time for the medical and scientific communities to return to their roots, eschew magical and miraculous thinking, and demonstrate a modicum of skepticism by refuting the illiterate nonsense and puritanical proscriptions engendered by diet-centrism."

In an accompanying Editorial, Carl J. "Chip" Lavie, MD, FACC, FACP, FCCP, of the Ochsner Clinical School, The University of Queensland School of Medicine, New Orleans, LA, USA, and Editor of Progress in Cardiovascular Diseases, states his personal belief that the ill effects of sugar have been over-emphasized by scientists and, especially, by the media. "Most sedentary people who are gaining weight and/or have high glucose and/or triglycerides should limit their carbohydrates and, especially, simple sugars, but for lean physically active individuals without these characteristics, sugars and carbohydrates are not toxic and, in fact, are probably helpful." Dr. Lavie, however, feels it is important to have the scientists discuss opposing viewpoints in the journal.


Sigh. Well, we had a good run, guys. Back to the ramen noodle/frozen pizza diet--wait, this guy doesn't think diets work, so make that "lifestyle"--for me.


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He points out that by the late 1940s, both the life- and health-spans in the USA had increased dramatically despite half of all infants being reared on infant formula -- a 100 percent artificial/synthetic product containing around 40 percent of calories from added sugars (e.g., lactose, sucrose, glucose, fructose, and/or corn syrup).


A few things here--did the kids on breast milk have different outcomes than the kids on formula? Also, quite plainly, even if the type of sugar changed, the reason the formulas have 40 percent sugar is because they're an attempt to mimick breast milk--this is a high sugar intake for an adult or a weaned child, it's not a high sugar intake strictly speaking for an infant. Why does lactose make the list? It should really be under suspicion, at least for babies.

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Old Tue, Aug-28-18, 09:51
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Which sugar/HFCS/soda pop company might be supporting this gentleman's opinion? I don't know if he is receiving anything from them or not, but such opinions of the past were purchased by those types of businesses. That exercise-not-the-soda-you-drink-determines-weight front group for Coke that got quickly dismantled when people found out who was paying for it, the payments from big sugar in the '60s for nutrition professors to blame saturated fat, etc.
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From Carl J. "Chip" Lavie, MD, FACC, FACP, FCCP:
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"Most sedentary people who are gaining weight and/or have high glucose and/or triglycerides should limit their carbohydrates and, especially, simple sugars, but for lean physically active individuals without these characteristics, sugars and carbohydrates are not toxic and, in fact, are probably helpful." Dr. Lavie, however, feels it is important to have the scientists discuss opposing viewpoints in the journal.

Chip puts things in perspective. Thanks, Chip. So when my weight decreased by over 40 pounds, my GERD resolved, my skin tags dried up and fell off, my sleep apnea resolved, my HBP became normal, my arthritis symptoms completely disappeared, and I became a much more aware, active individual all within 6 months of starting a low carb approach by eliminating sugar in all forms and grains without following a regular fitness routine, it was strictly due to the fact that I was not lean or physically active. And when I was lean and physically active, consumption of sugars and carbohydrates did not contribute to me developing Metabolic Syndrome with many of its symptoms and becoming a carb addict? Hmmmmm. Sounds plausible to me. When these lean, physically active 20 and 30 somethings start the downslide, what do you tell them is the root cause after you've already told them "sugars and carbohydrates (not sure why you're being redundant here) are not toxic," I guess, until they are. Yes, they're in fact helpful until they aren't. When is that for each individual, because I can attest to the fact that it changes in the most subtle ways until many become carb addicted to the very foods that are "helpful?" Right.
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One of the things I noticed in Taubes books in the sugar research sections is how irrational the “scientists” get about sugar being bad. They don’t use data or studies, they just go, “But I LOOOOOVE it so it can’t be BAAAAAAD.”
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