Active Low-Carber Forums
Atkins diet and low carb discussion provided free for information only, not as medical advice.
Home Plans Tips Recipes Tools Stories Studies Products
Active Low-Carber Forums
A sugar-free zone


Welcome to the Active Low-Carber Forums.
Support for Atkins diet, Protein Power, Neanderthin (Paleo Diet), CAD/CALP, Dr. Bernstein Diabetes Solution and any other healthy low-carb diet or plan, all are welcome in our lowcarb community. Forget starvation and fad diets -- join the healthy eating crowd! You may register by clicking here, it's free!

Go Back   Active Low-Carber Forums > Main Low-Carb Diets Forums & Support > Low-Carb Studies & Research / Media Watch > LC Research/Media
User Name
Password
Register FAQ Members Calendar Mark Forums Read Search Gallery My P.L.A.N. Survey


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #31   ^
Old Wed, Mar-26-08, 08:12
Sagehill Sagehill is offline
Senior Member
Posts: 14,556
 
Plan: My own
Stats: 250/141.4/130 Female 5'3"
BF:
Progress: 90%
Location: Central FL
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChicknLady
As I travel on four-lane highways and interstates, I often wonder how many goats could be pastured/hayed somehow on just the lush grass that is mowed twice a year in the medians and edges.
As one who raises goats, I can tell you that goats aren't grazers: their preferred food is trees, shrubs, weeds and alfalfa... the "meat" of the vegetation world; they consider grass as "salad stuff", good for a taste change but not something for best growth. Sheep and cattle do best on grass. Goats are best at clearing brush from neglected pastures and woods, then putting sheep and cattle on the improved pastures.

Not that anyone here particularly cares, I suspect. lol

Jenny
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
  #32   ^
Old Wed, Mar-26-08, 08:26
Didy's Avatar
Didy Didy is offline
Senior Member
Posts: 1,057
 
Plan: Low carb
Stats: 136/118/115 Female 5' 2"
BF:
Progress: 86%
Location: Washington
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sagehill
As one who raises goats, I can tell you that goats aren't grazers: their preferred food is trees, shrubs, weeds and alfalfa... the "meat" of the vegetation world; they consider grass as "salad stuff", good for a taste change but not something for best growth. Sheep and cattle do best on grass. Goats are best at clearing brush from neglected pastures and woods, then putting sheep and cattle on the improved pastures.

Not that anyone here particularly cares, I suspect. lol

Jenny


Oh I care! Out here in the NW, blackberry bushes are the bane of the land owner's existence. People spend bucks trying to get rid of them - spraying poisons galore! When I was a kid, my mom almost burnt down our neighbor's barn by setting fire to our field to try and burn them out (she grew up in the Dakotas). Well, my husband and I found THEE one and only cure for permanently getting rid of blackberries and that was to "Release the Goats!" After the goats did their thing, stripping the thorny branches to mere nubs, we then turned out a couple of pigs. They rooted around and gobbled up the root systems. We never had a problem again AND, the pigs were delicious!

Last edited by Didy : Wed, Mar-26-08 at 13:57.
Reply With Quote
  #33   ^
Old Wed, Mar-26-08, 09:14
Angeline's Avatar
Angeline Angeline is offline
Senior Member
Posts: 3,423
 
Plan: Atkins (loosely)
Stats: -/-/- Female 60
BF:
Progress: 40%
Location: Ottawa, Ontario
Default

No really, that's very interesting Sagehill. That's the kind of info, most city folks have no clue about, so it's interesting to know.

And awesome story Didy. Another good example of a natural, non toxic way of dealing with a problem.
Reply With Quote
  #34   ^
Old Wed, Mar-26-08, 11:31
Frogbreath Frogbreath is offline
Senior Member
Posts: 571
 
Plan: Atkins
Stats: 282/209/120 Female 5'2"
BF:
Progress: 45%
Location: Tallahassee, FL, US
Default

Florida could become the US bread- or rather "bug basket." Along with our semi-tropical climate comes an abundance of multi-legged creatures.
Reply With Quote
  #35   ^
Old Wed, Mar-26-08, 19:14
ChicknLady's Avatar
ChicknLady ChicknLady is offline
Senior Member
Posts: 2,046
 
Plan: Low carb
Stats: 153/150/140 Female 5'6"
BF:
Progress: 23%
Location: Pennsylvania
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sagehill
As one who raises goats, I can tell you that goats aren't grazers: their preferred food is trees, shrubs, weeds and alfalfa... the "meat" of the vegetation world; they consider grass as "salad stuff", good for a taste change but not something for best growth. Sheep and cattle do best on grass. Goats are best at clearing brush from neglected pastures and woods, then putting sheep and cattle on the improved pastures.

Not that anyone here particularly cares, I suspect. lol

Jenny

Thanks also for the clarification! Now I will think "sheep" next time I travel!
Reply With Quote
  #36   ^
Old Thu, Mar-27-08, 09:06
Sagehill Sagehill is offline
Senior Member
Posts: 14,556
 
Plan: My own
Stats: 250/141.4/130 Female 5'3"
BF:
Progress: 90%
Location: Central FL
Default Food Sustainability

I am especially interested in this topic because I have a small farm that I try to run as sustainably as possible. Personally speaking, small farms are a far better solution for food availability and safety because they're local.... when you know the source of your food, there's traceability and accountability in a way you'll never see from agribiz factories like ADM or Cargill... or food from China. Also, small local farms feed and take care of their animals far better simply because they can't afford to lose any to sickness or death the way ag-factories can; small farms value their livestock.

There was an interesting commentary in a raw milk blog today, about how small farms will help fill food needs. And last week, the NYT had a very encouraging commentary called Cows Grazing in the Rumpus Room, about how urbanites are starting to grow as much of their own food as possible. The article has a lot of good ideas on how everyone, even those in the populated cities, can raise food. Even I got a bunch of good ideas there. And check out the comments are the end of the article.

Jenny
Reply With Quote
  #37   ^
Old Thu, Mar-27-08, 09:21
frankly's Avatar
frankly frankly is offline
Senior Member
Posts: 1,259
 
Plan: VLC
Stats: 295/220/160 Male 5'10"
BF:
Progress: 56%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sagehill
...And last week, the NYT had a very encouraging commentary called Cows Grazing in the Rumpus Room... And check out the comments are the end of the article.


Good link, I like this quote "...We aren’t subsidizing farmers. We’ve been subsidizing consumers for years and years while farmers have gone broke, so we can get cheap food at the supermarkets and fast food joints."
Reply With Quote
  #38   ^
Old Thu, Mar-27-08, 09:55
Sagehill Sagehill is offline
Senior Member
Posts: 14,556
 
Plan: My own
Stats: 250/141.4/130 Female 5'3"
BF:
Progress: 90%
Location: Central FL
Default

Exactly. Even with the recent increase in prices, United States still has the cheapest food in the world... and still has lost the most farmers with USDA's "Get Big or Get Out" farm policy and agribiz subsidies for the last 40 years... small farmers get none of those subsidies, which are all based on commodities like corn and soybeans, and none for organic and grassfed foods.

However, it's encouraging that even without help small farmers are starting to make a comeback, especially with the buy-local trend now. I encourage everyone to support local farms whenever possible... starting with buying even a small apartment-sized freezer, if you don't already have one!

Jenny
Reply With Quote
  #39   ^
Old Thu, Mar-27-08, 12:10
Wifezilla's Avatar
Wifezilla Wifezilla is offline
Senior Member
Posts: 4,367
 
Plan: I'm a Barry Girl
Stats: 250/208/190 Female 72
BF:
Progress: 70%
Location: Colorado
Default

Just got my freezer yesterday

Now, to find half a cow that I can afford....
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:58.


Copyright © 2000-2019 Active Low-Carber Forums @ forum.lowcarber.org
Powered by: vBulletin, Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.