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I was watching a show on Africa the other day, I think it was on PBS and in this primitive village, what I noticed most was that they had all of their teeth and they were nice white teeth!



Sometime after joining this forum, I learned about the Inuit study , and ever since I try to see the teeth of people of third world nations. EVERYONE I could see had great teeth. Even the adults.

I dont see the third world as lesser in anyway--rather Im envious = they have the important things in life. ( unless other humans messed it up.) Adequate food, famiy and community, good health. Clean air. Unpolluted water.
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Not a good idea if on low-dose aspirin to thin the blood says the Doc

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/vitamin-k1-vs-k2

More Research needed?
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Not a good idea if on low-dose aspirin to thin the blood says the Doc

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/vitamin-k1-vs-k2

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I agree, you would definitely not want to do both at the same time but figure out which one you need more.
Vitamin E also thins the blood and people are told to discontinue it prior to any surgery.
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The rate of diabetes in Japan is 7.2%, vs 12.6% in the U.S. Yet the rate of coronary heart disease among Japanese men is less than one third that of the U.S. at 45.8 (per 100,000/year), while American men have a rate of 150.7.Oct 10, 2016



Why Japanese Men Have Far Less Heart Disease – The Mission ...
https://medium.com/the.../why-japan...se-badbc3841322

The above is mentioned because the Japanese eat Miso/natto regularly.
And from the healthline article linked above.

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Vitamin K and Heart Health
In addition to blood clotting and bone health, vitamin K also seems to play an important role in preventing heart disease.

Vitamin K activates a protein that helps prevent calcium from depositing in your arteries. These calcium deposits contribute to the development of plaque, so it’s not surprising that they are a strong predictor of heart disease (16, 17).

Several observational studies have suggested that vitamin K2 is better than K1 at reducing these calcium deposits and lowering your risk of heart disease (18, 19, 20).

However, higher quality controlled studies have shown that both vitamin K1 and vitamin K2 (specifically MK-7) supplements improve various measures of heart health (16, 21).

Nevertheless, further studies are needed to prove that supplementing with vitamin K actually causes these improvements in heart health. Additionally, more research is needed to determine if K2 is truly better for heart health than K1.

SUMMARY:
Vitamin K1 and K2 are important for blood clotting, bone health and possibly heart health. Further research is needed to clarify if K2 is better than K1 at performing any of these functions.
Vitamin K Deficiency
True vitamin K deficiency is rare in healthy adults. It typically only occurs in people with severe malnutrition or malabsorption, and sometimes in people taking the medication warfarin.

Symptoms of deficiency include excessive bleeding that won’t stop easily, though this could also be caused by other things and should be evaluated by a physician.

Although you might not be deficient in vitamin K, it is possible that you aren’t getting enough vitamin K to help prevent heart disease and bone disorders like osteoporosis.

For this reason, it is important you get the appropriate amount of vitamin K your body needs.

SUMMARY:
True vitamin K deficiency is characterized by excessive bleeding and is rare in adults. However, just because you don’t have a deficiency doesn’t mean that you are getting enough vitamin K for optimal health.
How to Get Enough Vitamin K
The recommended adequate intake for vitamin K is based only on vitamin K1 and is set at 90 mcg/day for adult women and 120 mcg/day for adult men (22).

This can easily be achieved by adding a cup of spinach to an omelet or salad, or by adding a 1/2 cup of broccoli or Brussels sprouts as a side for dinner.

Furthermore, consuming these with a source of fat like egg yolks or olive oil will help your body absorb the vitamin K better.

There is currently no recommendation on how much vitamin K2 you should be eating. It is best to try to incorporate a variety of vitamin K2-rich foods into your diet.

Below are some tips on how to do this.

Try natto: Natto is a fermented food that is extremely high in vitamin K2. Some people don’t like the taste, but if you can stomach it, your K2 intake will skyrocket.
Eat more eggs: Eggs are fairly good sources of vitamin K2 that can easily be added to your daily breakfast.
Eat certain cheeses: Fermented cheeses, such as Jarlsberg, Edam, Gouda, cheddar and blue cheese, contain vitamin K2 formed by the bacteria used during their production.
Consume dark meat chicken: The dark meat of chicken, such as leg and thigh meat, contains moderate amounts of vitamin K2 and may be better absorbed than the K2 found in chicken breasts.
Both vitamin K1 and vitamin K2 are also available in supplement form and often consumed in large doses. Although there are no known toxicities, further research is needed before specific recommendations for supplements can be given.

SUMMARY:
It is best to incorporate a variety of food sources of both vitamin K1 and K2 in your diet to obtain the health benefits that these vitamins offer.
The Bottom Line
Vitamin K1 is primarily found in leafy green vegetables, while K2 is most abundant in fermented foods and some animal products.

Vitamin K2 may be absorbed better by the body and some forms may stay in the blood longer than vitamin K1. These two things may cause K1 and K2 to have different effects on your health.

Vitamin K likely plays an important role in blood clotting and promoting good heart and bone health. Some research suggests that K2 may be superior to K1 in some of these functions, but further research is needed to confirm this.

For optimal health, focus on increasing food sources of both vitamin K1 and K2. Try to include one green vegetable daily and incorporate fermented foods and K2-rich animal products into your diet.

Written by Keith Pearson, PhD, RD on September 15, 2017
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Some years ago I had the opportunity to use warfarin---- until one more stroke forced Brigham and Women's Hospital to FIX a dissected carotid with a stent during emergency surgery. The warfarin was just a band-aid--- at one of the best hospitals. After the stent was put in,then 6 months of plavix, during the time the stent healed into the lining of the artery.

CLots can happen for many reasons. FOr me, the artery was almost closed off, causing the blood to stand still. And then clotting. IMO the doctors played Russian Roulette ....I had repeated asked to have the surgery but they waited.

What I learned---

I want my blood to clot when it is supposed to. I want my blood to behave normally. BLood does not clot unless that chemical trigger starts the process.

I prefer to eat in a manner that keeps the body working correctly, and avoiding all that interferes with that. Too often doctors take short cuts, and hand out a pharmaceutical drug.

However, a lot of damage was done and clearly the anti-clotting drug administered at the time did not work. The warfarin was the drug of choice to send me home on, not the one used while in the hospital. Warfarin was no longer necessary after the placement of the stent.

No bloodthinners since that emergency surgery over 10 years ago.

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Old Wed, Sep-05-18, 18:01
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Why Japanese Men Have Far Less Heart Disease – The Mission ...
https://medium.com/the.../why-japan...se-badbc3841322

The above is mentioned because the Japanese eat Miso/natto regularly.
And from the healthline article linked above.




Some years ago I had the opportunity to use warfarin---- until one more stroke forced Brigham and Women's Hospital to FIX a dissected carotid with a stent during emergency surgery. The warfarin was just a band-aid--- at one of the best hospitals. After the stent was put in,then 6 months of plavix, during the time the stent healed into the lining of the artery.

CLots can happen for many reasons. FOr me, the artery was almost closed off, causing the blood to stand still. And then clotting. IMO the doctors played Russian Roulette ....I had repeated asked to have the surgery but they waited.

What I learned---

I want my blood to clot when it is supposed to. I want my blood to behave normally. BLood does not clot unless that chemical trigger starts the process.

I prefer to eat in a manner that keeps the body working correctly, and avoiding all that interferes with that. Too often doctors take short cuts, and hand out a pharmaceutical drug.

However, a lot of damage was done and clearly the anti-clotting drug administered at the time did not work. The warfarin was the drug of choice to send me home on, not the one used while in the hospital. Warfarin was no longer necessary after the placement of the stent.

No bloodthinners since that emergency surgery over 10 years ago.


Wow Arielle!!!!
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[QUOTE=Ms Arielle]Why Japanese Men Have Far Less Heart Disease – The Mission ...
https://medium.com/the.../why-japan...se-badbc3841322

The above is mentioned because the Japanese eat Miso/natto regularly.
And from the healthline article linked above.




Here is one more variable not considered that I just read about in the book Fiber Menace, The Japanese consumption of fiber is almost nil. When they move to the US and begin eating carbs, along with that usually comes fiber.
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You think the problem is the increase in fiber and not the bad carbs?

My GI specialist from UMASS encouraged me to eat a serving of COnsyl a day. This was suggested at it fit the current research findings. Honestly, I think the extra fiber is not as helpful as fiber and more whole vegies...... which seems to be contrary to your readings.
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The rampant use of blood thinners (warfarin is also a rat poison! used to murder Stalin!) instead of getting to the cause of heart disease is yet another bit of medical malpractice which has been enshrined as "standard of care."

The only caution I have found about taking large doses of Omega 3s is a slight effect which might cause caution if I were already on blood thinners. Is that ironic, or what? Proof that a high fat diet with the right Omega balance is beneficial, in my parsing of the situation.
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Clearly the right dose of warfarin is necessary for the right outcome. I have used rat bait for the mice, with no net effect.

Omega 3 as a blood thinner. Hmm. One more indicator that we should be eating grass fed eggs, poultry and beef. Apparently a typical diet from long ago had a omega 3:6 ratio of 1:4. Definiely working on THAT
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You think the problem is the increase in fiber and not the bad carbs?


IDK but the Fiber Menace book says that the carbs and the fiber go hand in hand.

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My GI specialist from UMASS encouraged me to eat a serving of COnsyl a day. This was suggested at it fit the current research findings. Honestly, I think the extra fiber is not as helpful as fiber and more whole vegies...... which seems to be contrary to your readings.


The book says that every GI doctor is trained to say the same thing, more fiber and more water. (I hear it every time)You should read what he says about too much water.....just like the doctors who tell us to cut the fat, eat lots of carbs and exercise more.
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I had hoped that as an asst professor at a teaching hospital, he might be a bit more up to date. Certainly, he brought an issue to my attention, that all others had ignored until an appointment with him. Looking back, it could all have been the perfect storm to put money in his pocket. That aside, he said that he drank COnsyl every morning in orange juice.

As a low carber, the elimination of oj was a no brainer. I did switch to bran, especially wheat bran as I can buy it rather cheaply. These days, I focus on whole vegies, and flax for its estrogen, and chia for its dessert-like quality. The bran was used to make LC sweets, or bread like substitutes, of which neither do I have a preference for-- my transition from SAD to LC seems to be complete.
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My GI doctor is also a professor at a major university, they all have to give the same advise on more fiber and more water but he said soluble fiber is better. When I responded that some say that bran is like sand paper to the Colon, he dropped his head and turned away from me, saying nothing.
They have to say it, (more fiber) it's the standard of care.....
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Makes it hard to believe ANYTHING the doctors recommend.
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In the new free VA zine, the one with the SR-71 Blackbird on the front has an article "Veterans Prevent Diabetes" that all sounded very paleo, but then showed a spread image of lots of fruit and veggies surrounding a big glass of juice! NO juice was one of the points in the article too. Sometimes I think they just don't get it
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The more I look at fruit and juices, the less important they become. Because vegetables have all the good nutrients; fruit is not a necessity.

Having said that, while my attempts at a garden is pitiful, a large orchard of peaches, pears, cherries, and apples has been planted; and hope to add kiwi, persimmon, and mango, and strawberries.

My kids are still thin and trim , and can eat whole fruit, as well as the chickens and dogs.
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