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Old Thu, Oct-19-23, 04:45
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But until and unless LC/keto becomes a trending dietary habit for a much larger segment of the population, that's not likely to happen any time soon.


Yes, "KETO" labeled stuff is still in the diet food aisle. Though everything in the meat department should have it

But I also gave some thoughts to the viability of a keto restaurant, and the prices need not inevitably be higher. They could have cauliflower mashed, or the regular. Expensive produce compared to potatoes though, manageable through smaller portions. Because good fat, tasty fat, is also expensive.

The best I could come up with is the price of our local steak and eggs, and I skip the hash browns and toast. I've conference-eaten and sat there with strangers around and my plate sitting there with the bread. I learned to throw it away, right away, because people would have feelings about it. Everyone else could leave half the sandwich and no one would say a word.

I was only doing the same, but the VIBE. Which illustrates how unthinking most people are about their food choices. And any change would lower the amount of what they are addicted to! Which is how all of us suffered so long with the portion control part, right?

I believe sugar is addicting. But I'm starting to think that crossing the barrier into UPF Level Four makes the body even more confused about the source of the substance it must have. To the point where they eat more and more of the fake food.

Where is this stuff lurking in the three part macros my app is tracking? I can scan the most processed food and it will come up carb heavy... but how much of that is REAL carbs? REAL fat and protein, in the sense my body recognizes it as such.

You see where this goes. There is the body thinking something real is not, and mayhem happens. Or the body recognizes it's toxic, and tries to get rid of it. Either way, confusion. Which is not a good thing in biology.

However, we all know how difficult it is to not only embark on a lifestyle change, but also the challenge of picking one. It has a great deal to do with how well we will stick with it, so we are herded into choosing from only the ways that are popular.

And that, too, might be artificial. It might not be for everyone, but it also might not be for anyone.
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Old Sat, Oct-21-23, 11:55
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Most people are driven by their taste buds, and not their brains.

Plus they will read an article with a covert agenda that tells them complex carbs are necessary, and falsely lumps bread into that category. Then they will reassure themselves that they are being healthy as they add aspartame to their coffee.

I'm 77, on zero medications, with a circulatory system of a healthy 50 year old (per my doctor), and even though I eat a lot of fat, my cholesterol numbers are good. My doc says she wishes hers were that good.

I read an article many years ago about LDL and hardening of the arteries. It explained that both sugar and insulin burn the inside of your blood vessels, and the LDL sticks to the injury in an attempt to patch the wound. I can't verify the truth of that, because it was long before I started investigating the sources, back when Dr Atkins was still with us.

For me it seems to be working. My LDL is the only blood number that isn't in the preferred range, and it's only a tiny bit out of range. I had an anxiety attack when someone figured out how to cheat my on-line shopping cart and get my products for free. I was skipping beats, doc sent me to a heart specialist, who said my circulatory system was like a healthy 45 year old (that was about 10 years ago).

But does that mean it'll work for everyone else? I doubt it. Yes for some, no for others, we are all the same, but different.

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Old Sun, Oct-22-23, 03:16
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My doc says she wishes hers were that good.

Bob


She could try your way!

I think the essence of the problem is that people -- for a number of reasons including overwork, too much stress, and the general breakdown of competence that makes both worse -- are not used to the constant decision making of a lifestyle change of this magnitude.

I know I've seen people in the past try to exercise it off with jogging and gym without changing their diet. Of course it never worked, but it's out there. It got embedded without any effort, so they don't realize it takes effort to change their minds.

All because of vague feelings they don't examine. I examined mine, and decided being weird at dinner was fine with my friends and who else cares? I had to make a lot of effort because it was causing me a lot of trouble.

I don't understand why that is not enough. Especially, as we've all seen over the years, they know it works.

It's not logical, of course. It really is addictive behavior.
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Old Sun, Oct-22-23, 04:12
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First talk released from Low Carb Sydney!
Dr Paul Mason
https://youtu.be/0b8Osg5MbfE?si=-O9uLy5S0cUrIN3R
Logical Fallacies of a Vegan Diet why you shouldn’t feed your child a vegan diet.
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I had to look it up because I'm already running a queue and wanted to add it.

Along the way I found a LOT of vegan videos... explaining why logical fallacies DO NOT apply to veganism...

Because it's a belief system. This is no logic in it.
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Old Mon, Oct-23-23, 09:31
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First talk released from Low Carb Sydney!
Dr Paul Mason
https://youtu.be/0b8Osg5MbfE?si=-O9uLy5S0cUrIN3R
Logical Fallacies of a Vegan Diet why you shouldn’t feed your child a vegan diet.
Thanks for posting the link. I learned/refreshed a lot of good information from the talk.
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Old Wed, Oct-25-23, 18:44
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She could try your way!

I think the essence of the problem is that people -- for a number of reasons including overwork, too much stress, and the general breakdown of competence that makes both worse -- are not used to the constant decision making of a lifestyle change of this magnitude.<...snip...>


I also think they let their taste buds overrule their logical thinking.

But that is the way of the addict of anything, from sugar, to alcohol, to thrill seeking, or whatever. Pleasure rules. It worked for millions of years of evolution, until we learned to preserve and process food.

I had a new neighbor who was walking her dog but needing a cane. I got to know her and turned her on to the Arthritis/Bursitis diet, Which is low carb plus other eliminations.

She did great for a few months, and then she started walking with the cane again. I asked her if the diet quit working, and she responded that she just couldn't give up her pasta and fruit.

Seems to me, walking without pain is worth giving up any food that causes that much pain.

But that's me, I can't judge other people.

Some want to live a shorter, more painful life so they can indulge in their pleasures while alive. I choose to live a longer more healthful life even if it means giving up donuts and chocolate cream pie.

Who is right? Both I suppose.

My family is over +300, I stopped when I was headed that way and watching my parents dying of obesity related diseases. I've lived 5 years longer than my dad so far, and am in better health than I ever remember him being in. So I guess it's working for me.

On the other hand, I could have denied myself those foods that put weight on me, and died decades ago in an unexpected accident. I guess I won that gamble, but it was a gamble.

After decades of living like this, there are foods I still miss, and probably always will. I don't think of them often, but if I'm somewhere and they are around, I have to muster up my will power and say, "No thank you." If they insist, I say, "I'd love to, but doctor's orders." I don't tell them the doctor is Bob Atkins.
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