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Old Fri, May-21-04, 14:46
robinreese robinreese is offline
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Many people who are taking probiotics for intestinal flora problems (that include Candida!) are considering whether or not to take Primal Defense for this purpose. I'm writing because I bought a book, The IBD Remission Diet by Jini Patel Thompson, and tucked inside it was a page that had been later inserted by the author. It was a warning about Primal Defense and Homeostatic Soil Organisms in general.
Here is the warning I received, and I quote: "On Page 108 of the IBD remission diet, I suggest that readers may want to try a product called Primal Defense after they've been completely healed for 3-5 months. I learned of this product from numerous readers who wrote in to let me know how well it's worked for them. Since I couldn't try the product myself (I've been pregnant or breastfeeding for four years and counting,) I questioned numerous respected naturopaths, microbiology professors and gastroenterologists for their opinion on the product and all said it looked fine.

However, since meeting the founder and president of Natren Inc. (top quality pro-biotic manufacturer,) Natasha Trenev, I must change my opinion of bacterial soil organisms. Natasha is a world renowned expert on microorganisms and maintains one of the largest research libraries on that topic in the world. She has sent me an entire CD ROM of articles, research and clinical data and other scientific studies, (most done outside of North America,) outlining why it is not safe to consume bacterial soil organisms (like those contained in Primal Defense and numerous other products.)

To summarize the research briefly, soil organisms (SO) are spore formers, so they make good competitors for yeast, fungus and other pathogens. This is why so many people taking soil organisms will initially experience very favorable results. However these spores are extremely difficult to kill, surviving sterilants, disinfectants, acceleration forces, heat, pressure, radiation and many antibiotics. Strong antibiotics -- like Vancomycin -- can suppress certain spores. Spores are so persistent in the intestines that another round of germination may occur after the the drug is stopped. Soil organisms can also adapt loose genetic material and incorporate it into their cellular structure - the ramifications of which are yet unknown. Various soil organisms can also produce harmful peptides, affecting hemoglobin in the blood. It's important to keep in mind that virtually all antibiotic drugs were were initially developed from soil organisms and as antibiotics become more potent, they cause more damage to the host, not just in the immediate gut environment, but systematically as well.

In the EU (European Union) the use of soil organisms in animal feed is being stringently controlled and questioned at this time. There are simply too many questions and unknowns to sanction the use of soil organisms for human consumption and one can certainly cannot qualify them as safe at this time.

I'm very sorry for any confusion this may have caused you. To be honest, this is the very first time I've recommended a product that I've not tried and tested exclusively myself -- I admit I was swayed by so many good recommendations from readers. Rest assured that I will not do so again!

My sincerest apologies,
Jini Patel Thompson
July 2003"


So there it is. I've searched the Internet and can find nothing scientific and unbiased either way. Most testimonials can be traced back to marketing by the parent company, Garden of Life. I can't help but wonder if there's not an exaggerated "need" for it -- we're suddenly seeing it everywhere. I wondered if anyone else had heard anything bad about Primal Defense or Homeostatic Soil Organism probiotics in general? Sounds like it works great at first but has a big risk associated with it later....

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Old Sun, Jul-04-04, 12:37
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I have been researching the Specific Carb Diet by E. Gottschall and HSO's are on the list of ILLEGAL items. That's all I know though. I am not testimonialing(that can't be a real word). I take a lactobacillus blend only to try and help my Crohn's disease. I don't know if I have IBS because the CD is so predominant I couldn't tell the difference I think.
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robinreese or anyone with information, are all of the Garden of Life products potentially unsafe to use, since they all use the SBO as a means of making their products? I'm specifically wondering about Fruits of Life. Thank you for any information about the safety of Fruits of Life. Thank you.
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Old Fri, Jul-01-05, 22:41
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I don't think everyone has favorable results when taking Primal Defense. I tried it and felt very very bad. I only took it for 2 days because I felt so bad. I don't know whether it was die-off or something in the pills but it wasnt working for me. I've seen lots of other people on various forums say they had bad reactions to it and one said she ended up in the hospital. Thanks for the warning...this is a product I wouldnt try taking again.
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