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Old Sat, Mar-16-24, 02:08
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Not low carb per se, but as a good source of protein, why not?


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Let them eat snake: scientists back python as sustainable meat

Dr Daniel Natusch has eaten plenty of Burmese python over the years. “At the risk of repeating a cliché, it tastes a lot like chicken,” he says.

“You run the knife along the back of the snake and you almost get a 4m-long filleted steak. Firm white meat, no bones. And then it depends on how you prepare it. I’ve had it barbecued, in curries, as biltong and, yeah, it’s great.”

It is also, he believes, a dish that too few of us have experienced and that python farming could be more sustainable than producing poultry, pigs or cattle.

In a study Natusch, who is based at Macquarie University in Sydney, looked at the growth rates of more than 4,000 reticulated and Burmese pythons at two large farms in Thailand and Vietnam, as well as how much the reptiles were given to eat.

In captivity, a well-fed baby python can double in size in a matter of weeks. By its first birthday, it can be 4m long, and Natusch and his colleagues discovered that the creatures can pile on more than 45g of bodyweight a day.

In terms of converting the protein they consume into protein that humans can eat, the snakes easily beat every other livestock species studied so far, including cows, pigs and chickens but also salmon and crickets.

They are about nine times more efficient than poultry, and more than 30 times more efficient than cattle, meaning they require far less protein to produce an equivalent amount of flesh, while also producing less CO₂ and methane, according to the study.

“This is an alternative livestock system that needs to be taken seriously,” Natusch said. “We’re not necessarily saying everyone should stop eating beef and turn to pythons, but there needs to be a conversation about them having a more prominent place in the agricultural mix.”

In livestock production, cold-blooded animals such as snakes, fish and insects require up to 90 per cent less energy than warm-blooded mammals, and snake meat is already growing in popularity in Asian countries, where it has traditionally been eaten.

However, the industry remains small and Natusch, who chairs the International Union for the Conservation of Nature’s Snake Specialist Group, believes that it could make sense to introduce snake farming to new regions.

Europe, where reptiles have rarely featured on menus, is not top of his list. Instead, he thinks the idea is probably better suited to parts of southern Africa, where more frequent droughts have made it tougher to keep traditional livestock and snakes have traditionally been a delicacy.

Pythons are also only distantly related to humans, he added. This means that pathogens that affect them are less likely to hop over to us, which is a risk with industrial pig farming.

At a time when many environmentalists are calling on the public to eat more plants, consuming carnivorous snakes might seem counterintuitive. But he argues that not all plant-based foods are environmentally friendly, and that snakes can be fed with waste protein that might otherwise be discarded.

“The bigger farms [in Vietnam and Thailand] feed them sausages, typically,” Natusch said. “They have access to abattoirs and pig farms, so those farms are feeding them on things like chicken heads that are discarded from poultry abattoirs and would otherwise be incinerated.”

In rural areas of Southeast Asia, households might keep “a couple of snakes under the bed” and feed them rats caught in rice paddies, he added.

He is also involved in an ongoing research project in which pythons have been fed foods other than meat, with no apparent ill effect so far. “We want to look at the long-term health implications, but preliminary results suggest that some proportion of a python’s diet can be plant-based,” he said.

The study was published in the journal Scientific Reports.
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Except when they get loose in Florida.

I've eaten snake and yes, it does taste like chicken. The whole reptile family is a staple somewhere.
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Except when they get loose in Florida.

I've eaten snake and yes, it does taste like chicken. The whole reptile family is a staple somewhere.
I've eaten snake in Hong Kong and alligator in Florida, and agree, they both taste like chicken, which is rather disappointing!
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Im adventurous when it comes to foods. Two still on my list is alligator and snake.

Mild flavored meats,like commercial chicken, allow the spices to shine. My older birds have a stronger richer "chicken" flavor: great for chicken soups.

Perhaps Florida can start the snake eating trend in the U.S. Those captured are well fed and are dispatched anyway. And the supply is only limited by the number of hunters.

We need all the meat sources possible.
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I've eaten wild rattlesnakes in Alberta and they are yummy after roasting on a fire. The problem is, if they become popular, we'll get grain/seed-fed snakes raised indoors.
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I would totally do this! “Snake tastes like chicken,” they say.

The popularity of eating Python would soon solve the infestation of that predator in the Everglades. Snake-dealers? Sure, and get the FDA to set up inspection stations for slaughter, packaging, and marketing statements.

Sign me up.

The skins might make gorgeous Manolo Blahniks and Gucci bags.

P. S. A brief Google search tells me that government regulated python harvesting has been going on since 2017 in Florida. Also, python cowboy boots are snazzy and expensive.

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Old Mon, Mar-18-24, 18:58
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We need python eaters here in Florida.

But we don't need a python farm, because sooner or later a pregnant female will escape.

We tried making Lionfish (another invasive) a delicacy (and they are good), but they can't be commercially harvested. They hide in the already threatened reefs.

I suspect python on your plate would suffer the same fate. Trudging through the Everglades looking for the snakes that camouflage themselves so well is labor-intensive. To make a profit, you would have to charge exorbitant prices for the tube snake steak.

Sadly, we didn't ban the exotic pet trade here in Florida in the 1950s. I grew up going to the glades. In ponds where I used to see thousands of wading birds (no exaggeration) you are now lucky to see six. Between land development, sugar farming pollution, and pythons, boas, iguanas, and dozens of other escaped or released pets, the wildlife of my youth is mostly gone.
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Wow just 😲 wow

Years ago I had a lengthy appoint with oncologist. What a waste of time.


Doctor told me:
Taking potassium pills at 100 mg was dangerous! Better to eat a banana 🍌. Seriously.

She also told me there was no prevention. And a pill would be my treatment , if I developed breast cancer, in the future. What a joke. Both my SIL and mother took that drug. Just cant recall name...oh yes, Fozamax.

She lost all my respect and I never went back. This was at Dana Farber.


Sadly removing the breasts is not a guarantee of no breast cancer. A recent cancer patient shared her story of breast cancer ,despite double mastectomies.





I've been on my own trying to prevent cancer. Trying to stay keto. Sometimes OMAD. Yo-yoing in both diet and weight. But never quitting.


Ive had zero support from doctors on keto.


Would love to see this change with research.

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Sadly, we didn't ban the exotic pet trade here in Florida in the 1950s. I grew up going to the glades. In ponds where I used to see thousands of wading birds (no exaggeration) you are now lucky to see six. Between land development, sugar farming pollution, and pythons, boas, iguanas, and dozens of other escaped or released pets, the wildlife of my youth is mostly gone.


I spent most of my formative years in Florida. I fled to cooler climes but I'm very sorry to hear that.

It was once an incredible place like nowhere else on earth.

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Sadly, we didn't ban the exotic pet trade here in Florida in the 1950s. I grew up going to the glades. In ponds where I used to see thousands of wading birds (no exaggeration) you are now lucky to see six. Between land development, sugar farming pollution, and pythons, boas, iguanas, and dozens of other escaped or released pets, the wildlife of my youth is mostly gone.
Yes, this is very sad. I also agree with you that “farming” meat, fish, and snakes always creates its own problems. Human beings are not yet capable of managing the environment the way Mother Nature intended. And we eat stuff!! Lots of stuff! While we pollute everything. Next trip to a new universe, I’m taking it!
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I've been on my own trying to prevent cancer. Trying to stay keto. <...>


I'm not a scientist, and don't claim to be a doctor.

However, I noticed, what do they do when they want to see where the cancer is? They bind a tracer to sugar and see where it goes. It goes straight for the cancer.

That tells this person, with some common sense and no medical knowledge, that sugar feeds cancer cells. That also tells me that perhaps, to help prevent cancer, lowering your sugar might starve would-be cancer cells.

I'd like to see some scientific studies on that.
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I'd like to see some scientific studies on that.


In 2010, Dr. Thomas Seyfried published his paper, Cancer as a metabolic disease (downloadable pdf). He was building on the work of Warburg in Germany, a century ago.

That's how long the DNA theory derailed research. Now, I understand cancer patients are told they should try keto to help them with chemo. Also, lymphedema now has a medical diet: keto. And of course, diabetics can try the original medical diabetic diet: keto.

I'm sensing a pattern...

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Dr. Thomas Seyfried has great credentials.

I'd like to see some double-blind studies. Of course there is no profit in that, so I don't think I will any time soon.
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