Shocking!


Now KIDS are going to get Ozempic! NHS-affiliated trial will give dozens of fat children as young as SIX the powerful slimming jabs

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/...mming-jabs.html

We knew it was going to happen.

I just can't imagine being a kid and dealing with the side effects of those drugs - nausea, vomiting, severe constipation and/or diarrhea. Severe stomach pains if they dare to try to eat anything with more than minimal fat content.

Exhaustion because they're not able to take in enough high quality food energy to keep going. Muscle loss. Hair loss. "Ozempic face" - can you imagine being 12 years old, looking and feeling like someone who's 70 because your face looks so haggard and you've lost half you hair?

While I don't want the kids in the study to feel awful, I hope that it very quickly shows it's simply not a viable method for kids. (preferably before they even get to the 2nd week)

And whether or not the trial goes on as long as planned, that they also follow up on their ongoing results after the drug is removed, and realize that this is no more effective at keeping weight off than it is for adults.

What makes them even imagine this is a viable plan for kids? It's not even viable for adults! As soon as you discontinue the drug, the weight piles back on at an alarming rate, because it does nothing to help them in the long run.

It's the crappy diet they're eating that's the root of the problem. Even if they're not binging on junk food, they've no doubt done a "healthy" low fat diet with minimal protein, but loads and loads of "healthy" carbs. They need to open their eyes and realize that's what make them fat to begin with.

These are growing children! And they can't get much protein this way, either.

It illustrates how they know overweight is a problem, but refuse to say IT'S THE CARBS.

If fast food manufacturers are worried about the impact to their profits from people losing weight, while the drug lets them eat carbs... I don't blame anyone for being confused, but confusing one's body?

That will come to no good end.

Right!!! Right ! Right!

Carbs are considered innocent in weight gain though - they're only 4 calories/gram, whereas that evil fat is 9 calories/gram.

Of course it's best if you get your carbs from whole grains and fruit, because you'll get a couple grams of fiber from each serving.


Protein? The nutrition labels all list how much protein there is per serving, but there's no RDA for protein on that label. And you can get all the protein you need from plant based foods - so that slice of whole grain bread counts as part of your protein.

Not to mention that the CDC says you only need 0.8g protein per kg of body weight - so a child who weighs 30 lbs needs less than 11 g of protein/day. (I have recently seen that interpreted to mean that the body can't handle more 0.8 g protein/kg of body weight - that's how twisted this has become)

It's just a mess - everything is upside down from what it should be.

Not even ketosis. Low carb is dangerous. It should only be attempted for a medical team.



But it's okay for them to take a drug for the rest of their life. One which restricts their eating for them.

This is probably the primary reason why they don't want kids on any kind of LC diet.

Having them on LC means they need to stick to LC 100%. They can't deviate - they can't sneak a candy bar because they think if their parents don't know about it, that it won't matter.

It's already extremely difficult to adjust insulin for T1's because sometimes the pancreas of a T1 produces no insulin at all, sometimes it produces a little, sometimes it shoots out far more than needed... and sometimes goes through that roller coaster in a single day. Their blood sugar can be all over the place with no change in diet at all. Keeping them on a higher amount of carbs does serve a purpose there - and it's not to keep them on drugs, it's to give them enough blood sugar so that they don't suddenly drop down to 35 and die when their pancreas suddenly decides to shoot out way too much insulin. Their blood sugar is extremely erratic to begin with, and the insulin injection needs to be adjusted constantly to bring down blood sugar that's gone way too high, or give glucose tablets to a T1 child whose insulin has suddenly dropped dangerously low.

For T2's you're still talking about a child who is not fully developed physically, much less mentally and emotionally. So kids will be kids, and if they decide they're sick to death of not being able to have a candy bar or birthday cake, they will figure out a way to sneak that food because they think they can get away with it. Even if they understand the effect of carbs on their blood sugar and the need for sufficient insulin, a child's logic says they'll just give me more insulin if it goes too high.

I was about to say that you might be able to trust teens to keep tabs on their diets and their own blood sugars more carefully and be more committed to staying LC, but teens are such a wild card when it comes to rebellion, even when it comes to a health problem that could land them in the hospital with organ failure or result in death. Teen girls with T1 are a particularly dangerous combination - it doesn't take them long to figure out that they can eat anything they want and not gain weight as long as they don't use enough insulin to bring their blood sugar down.

But then when the kid ends up in the ER throwing ketones - as it says, it's difficult to tell if it's nutritional ketosis, or if they're in ketoacidosis - and the kid is not likely to admit that they went on a carb binge, because the immature mind just doesn't want to get in trouble for cheating on his diet, even if it kills him.

I worked with a lady back in the 70's who was a diabetic. I suspect she was a T1 because she was very thin, despite almost always having a donut or candy on a break. She told me that the only time she was careful about what she ate was for a few days before she had a Dr appointment. She was well into her 40's or older, and had been getting away with this tactic for decades. A1C tests were not in regular clinical use until a few years after that, so she figured that what her Dr didn't know wouldn't hurt him. It was probably hurting her, but not to the point that she cared.

If you can't trust mature adult diabetics to avoid excess carbs, how can you trust a child to do so?

But as we adapt to ketosis, our levels go down. And I kept running across info that ketoacidosis has a clear clinical picture, in numbers:



I know a physicist is working with Dr. Bernstein to establish protocols for children like his Type I son, because (at least in Australia) they apparently don't control their blood sugars very much, out of this fear of ketoacidosis. They are told to eat high carb, and "insulin to cover."

Maybe children should have the glucose metering and alarms, because I'm sure they sneak goodies and that's why the blood glucose is monitored. I only have direct experience with adults but they can be as non-compliant as children, of course.

I'm still reading the Gary Taubes book on diabetes, where he outlines how insulin therapy went from lifesaving to dangerous crutch for increased processed food intake. It went from "keeping people alive" to "keeping people fat and happy."

This is the same excuse they used for years to discourage low carb, in adults. So I find it difficult to believe this is the whole story. Because we aren't talking Zero Carb for children, or anything close.

Most of these children are type II, anyway. What used to be called "adult onset," such as my father, diagnosed in his late thirties. I saw him following doctor's instructions meticulously, allowing for his beer and the carby dishes his partner loved to cook. It did not work.

I am confused. Is ketoacidosis detectable, or not?