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Old Tue, Jul-23-19, 04:31
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Since healing from gluten sensitivity, i have a very low fiber tolerance. I AM listening to my gut.
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Old Tue, Jul-23-19, 09:07
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Plan: Ketogenic (LCHFKD)
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I've been eating mostly red meat as my primary protein source over the past 7 years. Certainly, I'll eat fowl, chicken, fish, shellfish, at times. In that time I've eliminated the following:
- Prescriptions
- Sleep apnea
- Stiffness in my hands upon waking up
- GERD
- HBP
- Skin tags (shriveled up and are completely gone)
- 40+ pounds
- Bouts of hypoglycemia & fatigue when not eating
- Breakfast (morning meal)
- Gout

The negative articles and reports we're seeing lately are more of the same mistaken understanding of what constitutes a healthy diet for individuals. The assumption that if a WOE is healthy for some, it must be healthy for everyone, or the inverse, if a WOE is unhealthy for some, it must be unhealthy for everyone is the first myth that needs correcting.
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Old Tue, Jul-23-19, 09:17
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Skin tags (shriveled up and are completely gone)


THIS is also the experience of DH. While not gone yet, heís only six months in. Encouraging news.
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Old Tue, Jul-23-19, 09:20
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A few years ago I was happy and surprised to learn that my neighbor who lives across the street from me ate a low carb diet which included plenty of red meat. I was talking with her just the other day and discovered that she is not eating nearly as low carb a diet as before although certainly many fewer carbs than an SAD but what surprised me is that she said, as if this is the wise things to do, that she only now ate red meat a few times a month and restricts her protein to white fish and chicken (maybe some others can't remember). This notion that red meat is bad for you has so permeated our society that people seem not to question it and announce their minimal ingestion of red meat as if it is an unquestioned sign of the healthy diet.
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Old Tue, Jul-23-19, 09:29
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This notion that red meat is bad for you has so permeated our society that people seem not to question it and announce their minimal ingestion of red meat as if it is an unquestioned sign of the healthy diet.


Talk about being DEMONIZED. When I was a child, it was the Peak of Meat: we children were lucky to have any form of actual beef, as it was expensive. Hamburger, of course, was a staple.

No wonder, doing keto, I spent months stuffing myself with brisket

Equally bizarre to me is the obsession with fruit and veg. You know the Five a Day campaign was marketing? And now itís health law.
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Old Tue, Jul-23-19, 10:03
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Plan: Protein Power, IF
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For inclusion in the control group, participants needed to have made no changes to their diet in the previous year, and follow a relatively healthy diet which included grains, legumes and dairy or alternatives.
Biased much? One group had to be following a Paleo diet and the other a "healthy" diet. Oy.

I'm tired of the vilification of red meat, too. As soon as I seem to convince someone that saturated fat isn't bad for you, I start hearing BS about how it's bad for your gut, "it doesn't agree with me," etc.
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Old Tue, Jul-23-19, 10:24
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Yes, that inclusion criteria. They also biased towards various health markers. They knew going in that, in people eating a more standard diet, TMAO associated with poor health outcomes/markers. So, weed out people who have various markers that associated with high TMAO on a standard diet. Then compare those people's TMAO to a group likely, going in, to have higher levels of TMAO--but who also don't have those various markers/outcomes. You've designed a study to disassociate the marker from the poor outcomes... at least, potentially. Let's see what happens to these people going forward.
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