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Old Sat, Jul-06-19, 00:56
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Sugar is the new tobacco and is killing millions of people worldwide

Jon Gaunt


Cancer Research UK is bang on the money to launch shock tactic posters to tell people that obesity is a major cause of cancer, and overweight people who are saying it is fat shaming need to shut their lardy cake holes.

And I say this as someone who was morbidly obese and on the fast road to an early grave and someone who is still overweight. But I have and am doing something about my situation and actually exercising more than just my jaw.

I heard one fat woman on a national radio show saying, “obesity is nothing like smoking as we can choose to smoke but we have to eat.” She is half right, we do need to eat but we can choose what we put in our mouths surely? There has to be an element of personal responsibility.
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I have cut all sugar from my diet and I eat a Low Carbohydrate High Fat (LCHF) way and the weight has dropped off me and I have never felt better. In fact, this style of eating combined with gentle walking has also reversed my Type 2 diabetes, cured my gout, lifted my mood and even cured my erectile dysfunction. Now I have got your attention haven’t I lads?
But being serious, this style of eating has completely changed my life and I am now off all meds. And it is not just me, millions of people around the globe are now eating this way and, in a sense, curing themselves.

The results speak for themselves and in my case it led me to set up a website to help other people who, just like me, were essentially sugar addicts waiting to die.

It has been the most rewarding thing I have ever done in my life and it is a disgrace that Low Carb High Fat diets have not been utilised in the treatment of obesity and Type 2 diabetes.
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I educated myself about nutrition via the internet; and instead of debates on TV about whether sugar taxes are sin taxes or phone ins about whether these posters are an example of fat shaming, what we actually need is for governments to start educating people in nutrition and stop being in the pay of Big Food and big sugar in particular. Governments need to be ‘fat shamed’ more than individual fatties.
But don’t hold your breath because it isn’t just Boris who has made a complete hash of this subject. His rival to be our next PM, Jeremy Hunt, when he was the Health Secretary in 2017 stood on stage at the Tory conference in Manchester and declared that childhood obesity was a “national emergency”. However, the stinking hypocrite had his conference lanyard around his neck which had the conference’s sponsors name on, which was Tate and Lyle! No wonder some journalists and broadcasters get his surname wrong!

This is the heart of the problem, the sugar lobby is too powerful not only here in the UK but around the globe. One of the main contributors to the worldwide diabesity epidemic was the invention of corn syrup in 1957 as a cheaper replacement for cane sugar.

His syrup, which is in all fizzy drinks, is almost pure glucose and is actually sweeter than sugar and it is this that fuelled the soda revolution and the large cups and free refills that helped create not only childhood obesity but the obesity epidemic we are now experiencing. This is now being added to most of the ultra-processed food that is on sale in our supermarkets and when combined with the tsunami of junk food outlets that planners have allowed to open it is no wonder we as an island are almost sinking under our own collective weight. The corn lobby is massively influential and it is said that no US President would ever take them on. Again, I ask, who should be ‘Fat shamed’?

Big Food aided and abetted by ‘corrupt’ or over ‘lobbied’ Western Governments have pushed the myth that sugary drinks, crisps and junk food, eaten as part of a well-balanced diet combined with exercise, are not really a problem.

They have sold the lie that it is all about calories in verses calories out and that exercise is the answer.
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But the simple plain facts are, as Professor Tim Noakes says, “You cannot out run a bad diet” In fact, in simple terms, you would have to run 35 miles to lose a pound of body fat and that is undeniable.
This myth or pure propaganda helps support the idea that those people who are obese or Type 2 diabetic are gluttons and have brought these terrible diseases purely upon themselves.

That is why Coca Cola is allowed to sponsor the English Premier League and MacDonald’s sponsor the Olympics and the English football teams.

Do you think they sponsor out of the goodness of their hearts or do they do it to gain market share and get us hooked on their sugary, addictive products?!

They should not be allowed to get away with it any longer. If sugar really is the new tobacco these companies should not be allowed to sponsor sports, just as tobacco was removed from Formula 1 and cricket years ago.

Both sports, which despite the apocalyptic bleating of their fans and governing bodies, did not disappear as a result of this sponsorship being removed.

However, the great irony of course, is that Red Bull and Monster drinks still sponsor the Red Bull racing team and our own world champion Lewis Hamilton.

These drinks are like a sugar ‘poison’ and contain at least 21 teaspoons of sugar in a single can.

The recommended daily intake for an adult is only 7 teaspoons of sugar in a whole day!
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Lewis Hamilton should hang his head in shame, does he really need the cash? And Red Bull should be banned from having a Formula one team just as Coke and Macdonald’s should be banned from sponsoring any sport. Gary Lineker is another who seems unable to survive on his £1.7 MILLION pounds off the BBC and is little better than a drugs pusher when he promotes crisps.
These are the organisations and the individuals who should be ‘Fat shamed’ as they are the ‘pushers’ who are really causing the obesity and Type 2 diabetes epidemic that is not only engulfing the UK but the whole globe.

But it also governments who should hang their heads in shame and be fat shamed too.

Why do they allow food manufacturers to put this excessive amount of sugar in their products?

If the Government is telling us, the individual, to cut sugar and recommends no more than 7 teaspoons a day why are Coca Cola and other sugary drinks manufacturers allowed to exceed that in a single can?

Now that we have evidence that excessive sugar is linked not only to Type 2 diabetes but cancers, heart diseases, strokes, high blood pressure and even dementia according to the Alzheimer’s society, why are these products still being manufactured?
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Please don’t give me that ‘personal choice BS’ either because for many there is no choice. Sugar is an addictive substance and governments and manufacturers know it is and they want us hooked.
Some scientists even believe that sugar is as addictive as class A drugs like cocaine and even heroin.

A study, published in 2017, in the British Journal of Sports Medicine, stated, “Consuming sugar produces effects similar to that of cocaine, altering mood, possibly through its ability to induce reward and pleasure, leading to the seeking out of sugar.”

Don’t believe me? Well think again, as you head to the biscuit tin at eleven after having a breakfast based on sugary cereals and sugar laden fruit juice.

That is your blood sugar spiking and crashing and you having to feed your “habit”.

As Gary Taubes says in his brilliant book, The Case against Sugar, “Sugar does induce the same responses in the region of the brain known as the “reward centre” as do nicotine, cocaine, heroin, and alcohol addiction.”

The British nutritionist, John Yudkin warned us in the sixties that sugar was killing us and he was ridiculed and ostracized by the medical establishment. He also believed in eating a Low Carbohydrate diet and that sugar was a contributor to obesity, diabetes and heart attacks.
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Sugar has no nutritional value at all but according to Gary Taubes, “We now eat in two weeks the amount of sugar our ancestors of 200 years ago ate in a whole year.”
So, when politicians and columnists talk about people needing to move more or kids need to get out more and away from their computers of Play Stations it makes me want to scream. We live in an ocean of sugar.

You think I am being over the top? Well let’s look at the facts. There are 4.5 Million Type 2 diabetics and more than 6 in 10 of us Brits are obese or overweight.

In the USA the figures are that over 120 million people are either Type 2 diabetics or pre-diabetic.

This is genocide.

Governments were too slow to act on tobacco but the sugar scandal will be even bigger because this is product directly aimed at kids.

This is why Governmental intervention is essential and why shock tactics like these posters are necessary but we also need to ‘fat shame’ manufacturers, celebrity sugar pushers and indeed Governments too.

https://sputniknews.com/columnists/...he-new-tobacco/

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Old Sat, Jul-06-19, 03:17
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These are the blunt facts that must be communicated, as this approach is far more effective than a tax if mass attention is to be drawn to this horrendous health emergency.
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Old Sat, Jul-06-19, 05:18
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Dr. Yoni Freedhoff blogged his thoughts on Cancer Research UK's fat-shaming message.

http://www.weightymatters.ca/2019/0...ches-awful.html

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According to Cancer Research UK's new public advertisements, obesity is apparently the new smoking.

What that means of course is that by formally adopting, amplifying, and promoting the message that obesity, like smoking, is a choice people make, Cancer Research UK fuels hateful weight based stigma.

More amazing perhaps is that the aim of the campaign is to apparently target the environment with their ads steering people, in the small print that people will likely miss and certainly can't click on in train stations, to their web page calling for an end to junk food advertising to kids.

Obesity is the normal consequence of normal people living in abnormal, obesigenic, environments. Obesity often has hugely negative impacts upon health and quality of life (especially at its extremes), fuelled in no small part by the never ending blame, shame, and scorn heaped upon those who have obesity by society, and yet here is Cancer Research UK's campaign to further justify that weight hate.

Shame on them. They absolutely should have known better.
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Old Sat, Jul-06-19, 11:12
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I do believe that there is truth in the statement that obesity is the new smoking. Just as smokers ARE at a much higher risk of getting cancer, so are the obese. Pointing out a health fact is NOT fat shaming. There is no "judgment" about a person's virtue nor about their "value as a person" involved in stating that the obese are more likely to get cancer than less heavy people.

Unfortunately, obese people DO face a daily barrage of discrimination. Those who have never had a weight problem often DO think that obese people are less virtuous than slender people, that they lack self-control or are too lazy to exercise. The obese ARE discriminated against in multiple ways and, are often made the butt of jokes as children. From adults, the discrimination against the obese is usually more indirect and subtle... but it hurts none the less! And daily experience with overt and covert discrimination CAN lead the overweight into becoming overly sensitive to seeing/hearing slights where none are intended.

So, perhaps there might be a better way to get the factual health-message across by focusing more on how sugar is addictive in the same way that nicotine is addictive...and that BOTH addictions ultimately lead to an increased risk for cancer.

Nicotine addiction --> excessive smoking --> tar build up --> CANCER.

Sugar addiction --> excessive eating --> fat build up --> CANCER.
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Old Sat, Jul-06-19, 11:46
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Dr. Yoni Freedhoff is anti-low carb and pushes the "moderate" diets that just keep people addicted to carbs.
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I don't believe the author of the article posted by Demi, Jon Gaunt, was fat shaming in any way. His "diatribe" focused on the irony involved when those who blame obesity, which is ridiculous because obesity is merely a symptom with association to other health issues, are also the ones who happily accept funding from sources producing some of the most unhealthy products available. Jon is admittedly obese. He took matters head on when he changed his lifestyle to regain health. Blunt articles like this get people's attention more than some health organization making a false claim that obesity causes cancer. There are many people who, by shaky BMI calculations, are considered obese but are also very healthy. More calories in, calories out, and exercise admonitions aren't going to cut it. Most of us have blocked that out for a long time. What does cut it is hearing from many who have conquered this issues (obesity), and in the process, have regained sound health in many other areas. Those who claim fat shaming, Freedhoff and others, clearly miss the point, but so does Cancer Research UK to Gaunt's point.
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I am torn. As someone who became obese in their teens, I am painfully aware of the prejudices. As a humanitarian, I regard all prejudice as repugnant.

As that same person who is far happier AND healthier on low carb, I think it's a shame more people haven't tried it. But I know why they don't: it is the false promise of "eat cake and lose weight."

Food is an unacknowledged emotional regulator in myriad ways.
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I have a friend who is a retired nurse. She is an unhealthy thin person who has little muscular and who's physician wants her to gain muscle and weight. My friend is vehemently anti-fat as food. She eats very low-fat and now drinks a liquid protein supplement to try to gain muscle. It hasn't been working, but she will not add any fat to her diet. She eats so few calories that I believe that her body is burning the protein for energy instead of building muscle from it.
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I don't think smoking was entirely a choice people made. Not like whether to buy a t-shirt. Or a choice is made, but we have to recognize that it wasn't an easy one. Making some 16 year old taking up smoking a moral issue--well, I don't know. And you can't help, later, that when you were 16 you didn't have the Wisdom of the Ages, I mean, who does, and you've got this whole addiction going on. I tried to take up smoking when I was younger. I was lucky, it just ramped up my asthma. Smoke a cigarette, I get inflamed and my breathing isn't as good for a week or two. I got the same problem once working with loose hay, I was sick for weeks.


My mom has COPD. You can blame this on her smoking, but growing up when she did, I don't think you can rightly place a moral blame here. Sometimes I hear comments when people are outside hospitals with oxygen tanks and cigarettes. My brother in law had a quadruple bypass a few years ago, patient in the next bed was going on about wanting to get out of there and eat some decent food--by which he meant junk food. There are very reasonable, selfish reasons to cease these behaviours--which speaks to the strength of the drives/addictiveness of the behaviours. I don't think morality is the right framework here.

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Smoking is the normal consequence of normal people living in abnormal, smokigenic environments.
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Dr. Yoni Freedhoff is anti-low carb and pushes the "moderate" diets that just keep people addicted to carbs.
I guess for the smaller percentage of people that have an actual addiction, this might be an issue. But for average people and the general population that are just trying to improve overall health, moderate carb is a great option. I guess it depends on what you define as moderate carb--I'd probably put that somewhere around 100–150g/day. Most paleo and primal diets fit this, as do South Beach, Zone, etc.

I don't think I'd lose weight on that, which is my current goal, but I hope to move to a paleo/primal style once I'm at maintenance. Of course, I don't have a medical need like epilepsy or cancer or something that requires me to be at an extremely low carb level permanently.
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