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Old Wed, Jul-11-18, 10:46
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Before going low carb my dental hygienist suggested that I should consider quarterly teeth cleanings. My plaque and tarter buildup was that bad. My gums were always bleeding, sore, and puffy after a cleaning. I had regular cavities throughout my life. Two of my teeth eventually broke, requiring crowns to fix them up. For me visiting the dentists was not one of my favorite things. I brush. I floss often enough. Yet my mouth was still an expensive disaster.

Since going low carb in 2014... no cavities. My gums have firmed up. My hygienist marvels about how my gums don't bleed at all even after she performs a vigorous flossing. These days my plaque and tarter buildup is such that I only need a cleaning once a year. Both my dentist and hygienist have commented several times about my improved dental health. My response is something like "You dentists always say that sugar promotes cavities. You say to cut back on sugar. I actually do that and this is the result."

YMMV - but LCHF gives me a happy, healthy mouth. I've saved a ton on dental expenses over the past few years. It's a good thing, too. My dentist dropped out of all healthcare networks. Anything I have done now costs big bucks - even a cleaning.
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Old Wed, Jul-11-18, 11:03
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Ken, 2014 is when you made the 100% commitment to LC. 100% all the time no cheating program, right?

How long into this commitment did you start to notice a change??

And for those that dont know, how many carbs a day do you eat and which items, If you dont mind sharing.
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Old Wed, Jul-11-18, 11:45
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These belong here: (Ms Arielle posted the video earlier...)

Cure for Tooth Decay? - Ramiel Nagel 1-14-2012

Cod Liver Oil Vitamin A Comparison Charts

Does Cod Liver Oil Help Remineralize Teeth? 9-10-2014

You may have heard people sharing stories online about how cod liver oil has helped them to remineralize their teeth or in some cases, heal cavities. I decided to look into the science behind this phenomenon and this is what I found out.

Limitations of Tooth Enamel

Tooth enamel has no living cells, which means the body has no way of repairing it when it is chipped or cracked. But that's not the end of the story because saliva containing calcium helps to remineralize teeth and enamel is only one part of the tooth. The interior parts of the tooth (dentin, cementum, and pulp) all do contain living cells. Cod liver oil nutrients affect both the saliva that can remineralize teeth and the living bone tissues under the enamel. It cannot repair a broken, cracked, or chipped tooth.


Receding Gums & Vitamin C 8-17-17
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Old Wed, Jul-11-18, 11:59
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Great points. Once the enamel is damaged ( chipped, worn ) it is gone.

The dentin is very much alive---I always thought the teeth were dead bone with nerves just to be a pain. But no. Teeth are ALIVE, and can make their own types of protective cells and chemicals to repair as much as possible. Really stunning to me.

I wondered why the dental specialist left one root of a broken tooth ( damaged by a dentist.) intact--- I was questioning her methods. Especially as I was led to beleive that when I handed over a few thousand dollars in cash that she would fix the tooth only to hit the same road blocks of the first specialist hit and "how bad a job" or similar words were said at the time to validate the new work.......

Getting enough K2 is challenging.
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Old Wed, Jul-11-18, 13:48
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Plan: My own - < 30 net carbs
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Ken, 2014 is when you made the 100% commitment to LC. 100% all the time no cheating program, right?

How long into this commitment did you start to notice a change??

And for those that dont know, how many carbs a day do you eat and which items, If you dont mind sharing.

Yes - I've been consistently LCHF since February 2014. My carb count has varied between 20 net and 45 net carbs over that time. I stuck to OP foods throughout that first year and beyond (No Cheats). Since then I've "experimented" a few times and had once sugary soda accident. Still, you can count on one hand the times that I've had sugary, junky food in the past 4 years. The sugar that I do get comes mostly from nuts, nut butters, dairy, and lower carb veggies. I occasionally eat fruit (berries, cantaloupe, and small servings of apple or banana) - once or twice a month I'd say. If I have banana it is an ounce or two mash up in a flax mug muffin (lots of fiber to minimize the sugar spike). I probably eat more carbs that most people here, but I stick to the program. I don't eat or drink sugar. I brush twice a day and occasionally floss.

The rate of tarter buildup seemed to improve right away, but it took a couple if 6 month cleanings before my hygienist remarked about the improvement. The sensitive teeth and gums improve over time - say 2 years. Since my plaque & tarter buildup was minimal, I think my hygienist had time to do a more thorough job cleaning under the gums. I just don't have any significant gum issues or bleeding anymore.

The only issues that I ever have with my gums is when some food gets stuck between two problem molars that I have. The gap is just the right size for some foods (meat, hard nuts, and fiber) to get stuck. If I don't notice it and skip flossing for too long my gum will get a little inflamed in that area. That area used to be puffy and inflamed all the time. Now it only happens once or twice a year.
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Old Wed, Jul-11-18, 14:11
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You have said pretty much what I was expecting---- and hoping. As I want to move my kids to keto, and push more vegies than fruits.

Honestly I think fruits are over rated--- when we hear 5-7 fruits and vegies a day I know I hear 7 fruits a day. And my kids reach for fruit and never vegies for a snack.

I agree, 45 carbs a day is more than most consume here on this forum, but IMO there are a lot of vegies hiding in those 45 carbs, and nutrients that are worth the carbs. Atkin often suggested maximizing the number of carbs and still maintain weight.

My boys are 90-95% grown, and should be able to handle lc-keto diet, and save their teeth. Given that both pinch less than 1/2" I can only assume they do not have IR issues at this time.

Bananas are overrated as a food---they certainly get me into trouble. lol
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Old Wed, Jul-11-18, 14:49
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Diet helps, especially with cavities in youngsters, but I don't think it can cure gum disease or repair its subsequent bone loss.


I just listened to Joe Rogan's podcast with guest Jordan Peterson and Peterson, in the last half an hour, outlined how the carnivore diet has improved his health greatly, including the gum disease he had. He started it after his daughter, who suffered from a great many auto-immune diseases such as rheumatoid arthritis, depression, skin issues, etc, switched to an all meat/greens diet and her health improved dramatically. He suffered from the same things (except for the arthritis) and saw her improvement so he started doing it too. He lost 50 lbs and after doing meat/greens for several months, switched to all meat and had even greater improvements. Not saying I'd do this but it seems to be working for him. He specifically said he had gum disease and has even had grafts done before and that this diet improved all of that greatly.

The low carb diet talk starts at about 2hr 50 min in. Gum disease comment at 2:54:52 Joe Rogan/Jordan Peterson
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Old Wed, Jul-11-18, 15:02
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The many vitamins and the essential minerals must be present to work together for strong bones AND teeth.

The article posted above--

https://www.calmingfears.com/blog/i...ineralize-teeth

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You may have heard people sharing stories online about how cod liver oil has helped them to remineralize their teeth or in some cases, heal cavities. I decided to look into the science behind this phenomenon and this is what I found out.

LIMITATIONS OF TOOTH ENAMEL
Tooth enamel has no living cells, which means the body has no way of repairing it when it is chipped or cracked. But that's not the end of the story because saliva containing calcium helps to remineralize teeth and enamel is only one part of the tooth. The interior parts of the tooth (dentin, cementum, and pulp) all do contain living cells. Cod liver oil nutrients affect both the saliva that can remineralize teeth and the living bone tissues under the enamel. It cannot repair a broken, cracked, or chipped tooth.

COD LIVER OIL NUTRIENTS
Like anything, cod liver oil is a sum of it's parts and it's these parts that people are claiming to remineralize teeth. Cod liver oil contains DHA, EPA, and Vitamin A, but there are two other nutrients that (along with calcium) the body can use to rebuild bone in the body: Vitamin D and Vitamin K2.

WHAT CAN REMINERALIZE TEETH?
Remineralization of the tooth occurs from nutrients in the saliva, but saliva is unable to penetrate through plaque. This is why both good nutrition and good oral hygiene is required to prevent tooth decay.

HOLISTIC NUTRIENTS
No nutrient acts alone in the body. Calcium needs Vitamin D to be absorbed into the body and it needs Vitamin K2 to decide where to go in the body. Together, calcium, Vitamin D, and Vitamin K2 work together to rebuild bones in the body.

WHAT IS VITAMIN K2?
Vitamin K2 is a set of compounds of Vitamin K, but as it relates to dentistry, much of the research you'll see comes from a book called Nutrition and Physical Degeneration. The book was written by Dr. Weston A. Price, a dentist and dental researcher in the 1930ís who collected food samples from groups of people with low tooth decay and found that their diets contained at least four times the quantity of minerals and water-soluble vitamins as normal Americans. While high amounts of K2 in the diet has not been proven to increase bone density, low amounts of K2 has been found to increase the fragility of bones.

WHOLE BODY DENTISTRY
Our bodies are truly remarkable in their abilities to self-heal. The way saliva helps remineralize teeth to combat the acids from foods is truly amazing. But what we eat and how we take care of our teeth also matters. We must use our mind in conjunction with our body to work together as one whole body.
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Old Wed, Jul-11-18, 15:09
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Vitamin D-- I dont encourage my boys to wear sunblock. WHY? Because the rate of rickets has increased markedly, with the use of sunblock. The decision was very easy: choose between a sure thing ( ricketts) or a maybe ( skin cancer). No brainer. The only time I insist on sunblock, is when out on the very reflective water. ( Neither are into winter sports.)

A recent understanding of Vit D3 is that it is reparative, and minimizes the skin cancer.

THAT would explain my mothers life long obsession with sunbathing and the lack of skin cancer until her 70's !!!

My boys are brown, but I am looking for a D3 supplement that will see them thru the fall, winter and spring. Neither will eat a huge amount of fish, and it is rather pricey.
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Old Wed, Jul-11-18, 19:11
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Before going low carb my dental hygienist suggested that I should consider quarterly teeth cleanings. My plaque and tarter buildup was that bad. My gums were always bleeding, sore, and puffy after a cleaning.
Was in the same boat even doing very low-carb, no cavities just gingivitis, tooth staining and bad breath. Hygienist said "you have bad bacteria in your mouth, no cure for that" as a microbiologist that got me thinking. Tried mouthwashes, Listerine, even the Crest one that turns your teeth brown!
Tried "oil pulling" -- still no joy. So I decided to fight fire with fire and try kefir. I also use an essential oil blend, WaterPik and sometimes brush with baking soda. Now I can probably go back to twice a year cleanings now all symptoms have disappeared
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Old Wed, Jul-11-18, 19:27
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Dr Lin talks about balancing the mouth bacteria--getting the good ones to survive.

My toothpaste is now baking soda. CHanging it for my kids too. No more flouride toothpaste. HAPPY that we have well water.
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Old Wed, Jul-11-18, 19:39
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The state of my teeth and gums gets praised by my dentist and hygienist. I can't remember the last time I had a cavity. I brush twice a day with homemade toothpaste (coconut oil, bentonite clay and baking soda), floss once a day and use the waterpik once a day. It seems to be working well for me. I still get my teeth cleaned 3 times a year but hope to reduce that to twice a year. I'm at an age when many of my contemporaries (and younger) have lost their teeth. I plan for that never to happen to me and so far there are no signs that it ever will. I have been told that given the state of my mouth I have nothing to worry about. I do eat some fermented food every day as well.
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Old Wed, Jul-11-18, 19:48
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Jean, which waterpik do you use??
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Old Wed, Jul-11-18, 20:00
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I have a Waterpik Ultra.
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Old Wed, Jul-11-18, 21:07
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I can see my teens playing with it!!! Back in the 60's we played with a WaterPik---splashed water everywhere. Unhappy mother. lol
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