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Old Tue, Nov-09-21, 04:38
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Are vegetables as important as "they" say?
How many servings do you eat each day?

Note: I like vegetables. I just wonder how many we really need to eat.
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Old Tue, Nov-09-21, 05:02
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Hi Jandy, have you picked a plan yet? The answer depends. If you follow the old Dr. Atkins/Dr. Westman version of LC the answer is you only need 2 cups of salad and one cup of green vegetable. If carnivore?, Then the answer is you don’t need any.

After a decade trying those very low carb plans with few micro nutrients from vegetables, I was having minor long-term side effects and decided to increase my vegetables. The plans I used to increase nutrient density are all explained in my success story. I am for 15-20% net carbs from high fiber vegetables and dairy..that is quite a few cups.
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Old Tue, Nov-09-21, 06:59
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Jandy, I started the carnivore approach at the end of August. Veggies have always caused problems for me. When I started on Atkins in the late 1990s, I started eating more veggies than ever before in my entire life (as Janet notes for that plan). And, I'd never in my life been as constantly constipated as I was back then.

Over the years I've gone with more veggies, then fewer or no veggies. Whenever I did more veggies, I had trouble with digestion, bloating, constipation, finally ending up with a 4-day hospital stay on IV antibiotics due to diverticulitis caused by all the fiber. (Don't let anyone tell you that you need MORE fiber if you have diverticulitis or constipation; everyone seems to have different trigger foods; for me, it's veggies.)

More recently, I was seeing a vegan doc (in my defense, I didn't know he was vegan when I chose him). He recommended I go on a keto diet, but one that was definitely vegan. He had me eating raw veggies and nuts all day long, with only 1 oz of animal protein allowed per day. Four days into the diet I had a major attack of diverticulitis and had to be on two different antibiotics for two weeks to get over it, just narrowly avoiding another hospital stay.

Some people thrive on veggies. Others don't. If you feel better eating lots of veggies, go for it. But if they cause digestive distress (from fermenting in your stomach rather than being digested properly), it's fine to ditch them. You can get all the vitamins and nutrients you need from eating only meat and fat, though some will argue with that.

Find what works for YOU and then don't let anyone talk you out of it. That's my opinion.
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Old Tue, Nov-09-21, 08:01
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For many years I did not eat very many veggies because the fiber in them caused severe digestive problems. Unlike the problems Bawdy Wench described, mine were the opposite, severe D multiple times a day. Eliminating vegetables helped but did not cure the problem. I stopped having D after I figured out my multiple foods sensitivities and eliminated eggs, dairy, and soy along with gluten which I had eliminated years before. Now I eat large quantities of vegetables every day without problems. I still avoid dairy, eggs, soy, and gluten.

As you can see from the 3 replies you have received that there is no simple answer to your question. The only answer is that you have to figure out for yourself what works for you.
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Old Tue, Nov-09-21, 08:17
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I generally follow the Atkins plan but it often have a large salad.One aspect is to consume a variety of probiotics. They are responsible for digesting much of the vegetable material we eat.

Fermented vegetables, pill form, yogurts, kefir, and that is just the tip of the iceberg.

Vegetables provide a variety of nutrients other than carbs, which are not required as you know. Vegetables are a great source of vitamin C. Which is lacking in grain feed meats, more in grass fed. Green leafy veg is a great source of potassium. And veg add variety to meals.
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Old Thu, Nov-11-21, 07:14
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From what I've read, there's plenty of Vitamin C in meat to meet minimum requirements, which is 10 mg per day. That's the amount needed if you're eating a high-carb diet. If you eat a low- or no-carb diet, you need even less.

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Old Fri, Nov-12-21, 11:51
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Thanks for the input. I am more of a moderate vegetable eater. I like them, but they don't play the biggest role in my meals.

Do you think an avocado is an acceptable alternative for a salad? I think it would be easier to throw an avocado into my lunch bag vs. prepping a salad. I am lazy in the kitchen.

I haven't chosen a plan yet. I have been looking into all the options. I want to pick something that will fit my life. For example, I would tire quickly of chopping vegetables for salads everyday.

This is why I am asking so many questions.
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Old Tue, Nov-30-21, 03:33
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Excellent on the pre-planning! Getting a plan you know you can follow is crucial.

Like BawdyWench, I discovered vegetables are not my friends. I liked salads and potatoes. Even on Atkins I was not a fan. It took some extensive Dr Teresa Wahls Protocol, which can step down to keto. I started on meat only just to narrow things down, and I'm still 90% meat. The rest is dairy, whey protein, and botanical fruits that are low sugar, like avocado and raspberries.

My digestion, weight, and health is never better than when I stick to that. I restrict what my body regards as toxins of varying strength: lectins, gluten, soy, and carbs themselves.

But we all start somewhere and tweak whatever plans we choose. And those approach we have to craft ourselves pay off the best
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