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Old Tue, Jul-23-19, 22:01
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Question Does Obesity Start In Your Mouth?

Does Obesity Start In Your Mouth?

Obviously it has a lot to do with what you put in your mouth, but some research shows it may be due to what is IN your mouth. There is a growing body of research that links various diseases with changes in the oral microbiome.

When I had bad breath, tooth staining and gum disease my dental hygienist, the one I always go to, told me "you have 'bad bacteria' in your mouth and there isn't any treatment other than tooth scaling and antibiotics" Being a microbiologist who once did research on hospital patients and pneumonia linked to oral bacterial colonization I thought "well maybe there is." I first tried essential oil mixtures, oil pulling that helped some. I then tried probiotics like yogurt and fermented foods. Home grown Kefir seemed to have the most promise. Now my mouth issues completely disappeared. My hygienist was amazed! I tried to explain it. She just said "well just keep on doing whatever you are doing."

Hum ... now, when I get my DNA report back from Nebula I may have a way to show why this works. It's a simple biological construct called "Competitive Inhibition" that all microbes employ to protect themselves and their colonies. Penicillin? Well, that's why it works.

https://blog.nebula.org/nebula-geno...iome-reporting/
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Old Wed, Jul-24-19, 05:19
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My hygienists over the years have become increasingly impressed with my dental maintenance... since low carb.

Now, I am older and wiser and fuss more: but not enough to cause this effect. Judging from my last visit, the SAD is coming for the nation’s teeth with a vengeance now.
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Old Wed, Jul-24-19, 08:04
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My appt is in two hours. Looking forward to what hygenist will say.

Brushing with baking soda changes the pH in the mouth. Changes the environment, changes the bugs that can live in the new environment.

Funny how this all reminds me of basic testing methods taught in intro to microbiology at university. It uses environment and food to identify specific microbes.
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Old Wed, Aug-07-19, 05:16
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Brushing with baking soda changes the pH in the mouth. Changes the environment, changes the bugs that can live in the new environment.
Just tried straight baking soda - works great! Going to skip the coconut oil lol.

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Old Wed, Jul-24-19, 16:37
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mike_D - Can't really say I understand completely what you've said. BUT, I can tell you that my hygiene appointments are much, much better when I do oil pulling with coconut oil a few times a week. I went from having to go every 3 months, to 4 months, and now I'm back to twice a year appointments. Hallelujah! (I hate going to the dentist).
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Old Thu, Jul-25-19, 03:41
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i stopped using mouthwash and commercial toothpaste a while ago. now i mix up my own coconut oil + baking soda, followed by teeth blotting. i also i take a daily teaspoon of cod liver oil. some links i've accumulated:

Probiotics in periodontal health and disease 1-2011

Dr Joseph Phillips explains The Blotting Technique 7-12-2012

Cod Liver Oil Vitamin A Comparison Charts

Does Cod Liver Oil Help Remineralize Teeth? 9-10-2014
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Old Thu, Jul-25-19, 07:02
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I put a little blood-root (sanguinaria) on my toothpaste. Many years ago they had a mouthwash/toothpaste called Viadent. Sanguinaria was the active ingredient, and it stopped my gum disease in a hurry (this was after surgery). Then Colgate bought Viadent, took the blood-root out, and it didn't work anymore.

A couple of times per week, I brush with Ipsab tooth powder which is finely milled salt, baking soda, and prickly ash bark.

I am not a scientist, but believe these products have changed the ph of my mouth which has a beneficial effect on which kinds of bacteria can grow there.

When I first had periodontal disease, it was so aggressive my dentist thought I would end up losing my teeth, that was 40 years ago, and since the blood-root and salt, the gums have been stable.

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Old Fri, Jul-26-19, 22:13
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Kefir is acidic and changes pH as well. I did oil pulling with coconut oil, perhaps not often enough? Anyway, now I use a blend of oils to brush with. Just a few drops in the mornings from OraWellness.

The blood-root is powerful stuff. I have some preparations I use to treat minor skin cancers due to the Sun. Unlike with freezing, these never come back.

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Old Tue, Jul-30-19, 20:00
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The blood-root is powerful stuff. I have some preparations I use to treat minor skin cancers due to the Sun. Unlike with freezing, these never come back.


My husband needs that! He's been having those things frozen off every 6 months & it's just too expensive. Is the preparation something you make, or is it from a store?
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Old Thu, Aug-01-19, 10:21
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My husband needs that! He's been having those things frozen off every 6 months & it's just too expensive. Is the preparation something you make, or is it from a store?
It's "Bloodroot Paste" a brown save, and has to be used with care on small areas or warts. Native Americans know of it. Dermatologists discourage its use, but their freezing or ointments don't always work and can take weeks or more to get similar results instead of just 24 hrs or less.
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Several epidemiologic studies suggest that bloodroot-containing mouthwash, which is no longer marketed, causes leucoplakias, including a high frequency of dysplastic leucoplakias.* The mechanism for this has not yet been identified.
Perhaps why it was taken out?

*Leukoplakia is a condition that involves white patches or spots on the inside of the mouth. It can be caused by chewing tobacco, heavy smoking, and alcohol use.

https://healthyfocus.org/6-actinic-...ral-treatments/

http://therenaissancehousewife.weeb...se-with-caution

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Old Wed, Aug-07-19, 09:48
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It's "Bloodroot Paste" a brown save, and has to be used with care on small areas or warts. Native Americans know of it. Dermatologists discourage its use, but their freezing or ointments don't always work and can take weeks or more to get similar results instead of just 24 hrs or less.Perhaps why it was taken out?

*Leukoplakia is a condition that involves white patches or spots on the inside of the mouth. It can be caused by chewing tobacco, heavy smoking, and alcohol use.

https://healthyfocus.org/6-actinic-...ral-treatments/

http://therenaissancehousewife.weeb...se-with-caution


This suggests it has a immunological suppressive effect.

Also, herbs are supposed to be taken in several daily, small, doses to avoid problems, and long-term use should build in “breaks” or different combinations. It really is an art.
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Old Wed, Aug-07-19, 10:23
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Kefir is acidic and changes pH as well. I did oil pulling with coconut oil, perhaps not often enough? Anyway, now I use a blend of oils to brush with. Just a few drops in the mornings from OraWellness.

The blood-root is powerful stuff. I have some preparations I use to treat minor skin cancers due to the Sun. Unlike with freezing, these never come back.


This caught my eye because DH is going to have a spot on his face frozen by the Dermatologist. I've read that sometimes it does come back so IDK.
What mix of this stuff do you use Mike?
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Old Sat, Jul-27-19, 03:56
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^ good to hear mike. i start my day with kefir 6-7 times a week.
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Old Sat, Jul-27-19, 06:45
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I am intrigued by the bloodroot story. Will pass it on to my local herbalist, DH.
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Old Sat, Jul-27-19, 13:54
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As I said, it used to be the active ingredient in Viadent mouthwash, toothpaste and floss. My periodontist recommended it.

He said he figured it would put him out of business so he bought stock in the company. When Colgate bought it, they took the bloodroot out. That's when I started adding it to my toothbrush.

Bob
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