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Old Sat, Jun-07-08, 10:43
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Default Great Article in Men's Health on Low Carbing/Cure for Diabetes!

I have a friend with Diabetes that recently 'cured' herself by doing this. I loved this article!
http://www.menshealth.com/cda/artic...1eac____&page=2
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Old Sun, Jun-08-08, 06:43
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While it is true that eating a LC diet can control diabetes, it is wrong to assume that it will cure it.
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Old Sun, Jun-08-08, 06:56
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Especially if one does not distinguish between type one and type two. I suspect we will see some "cures" of T2 by diet (meaning it will become undetectable), but I don't think the same applies for T1
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Old Sun, Jun-08-08, 07:31
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If "cure" means a normal profile for a Glucose Tolerance Test then a long term low carb diet can cure some Type Ii diabetics.
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I think, to me, a cure would mean being able to return to a fairly normal but not SAD diet without consequence. I use quotes around "cure" because I am assuming that even then, returning to a high carb diet will more quickly undo that healing than it took to cause it in the first place.
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Old Sun, Jun-08-08, 10:52
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That's one of the articles I sent to my diabetic uncle, who has been struggling with his diabetes - tons of different meds, blood sugar problems and so on. Still following the 1980's style Diabetic Diet. Asked his diabetes specialist doctor for a new diet, she said, "Oh, no you're fine" and prescribed even more meds.

Ahem...

But - woo hoo. I've finally gotten through to my uncle with this 'low-carb helps diabetes' deal.

He's off six different medications already - and has lost ten pounds!!

I think this article is what helped me 'convince' him. So yeah, keep posting it here and there.
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Old Mon, Jun-09-08, 15:48
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If the cause of the disease is the SAD, then a VLC diet would constitute the cure. In other words, whatever the SAD did, the VLC diet can reverse. If not completely maybe because of extensive damage, at least sufficiently to return to normal activities. Also, just like the SAD took time to do its damage, the VLC diet needs time to do its reversal and then the body needs time to heal.
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Oh, I like Baerdric's definition of cure. You know, cure isn't possible under that definition but using it as a standard for determining whether a person is Type II would mean that about 75% of the population *is* Type II when you combine that with Eades' interpretation of GTT results. See, you are Type II even when you are not.

The ADA would love it -- imagine speaking for 75% of the population!
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That would be a dream come true for them.
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Cure is like curing cancer. It is gone and won't return if it is cured. Compare that to celiac disease, where you're permanently sensitive to gluten. Does not eating gluten cure celiac disease? No, it is a treatment. When you stop following the treatment, the disease will return in full force. The symptoms might be in abeyance but the disease is still there.

Treating insulin resistance or T2 diabetes is a treatment. Just like following a gluten free diet isn't a cure for celiac disease, it is a treatment. You stop the treatment and the beneficial effects go away.
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Treating insulin resistance or T2 diabetes is a treatment. Just like following a gluten free diet isn't a cure for celiac disease, it is a treatment. You stop the treatment and the beneficial effects go away.
That may be, but I don't think we have any way of knowing if it's absolutely true yet. When we have a few million people on LC with Doctor's approval, and they get GT tested 20 years later - then we will know. Maybe.
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Old Mon, Jun-09-08, 17:55
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Cure is like curing cancer. It is gone and won't return if it is cured. Compare that to celiac disease, where you're permanently sensitive to gluten. Does not eating gluten cure celiac disease? No, it is a treatment. When you stop following the treatment, the disease will return in full force. The symptoms might be in abeyance but the disease is still there.

Treating insulin resistance or T2 diabetes is a treatment. Just like following a gluten free diet isn't a cure for celiac disease, it is a treatment. You stop the treatment and the beneficial effects go away.


I don't think it's a disease. Instead, I think it's an intoxication (not in the sense of euphoric bliss but in the sense of toxic poisoning). Diabetes T2 is the consequence of glucose poisoning. In other words, there are many afflictions that we see as diseases which are really consequences of glucose intoxication. I see glucose as toxic in any quantity above the normal blood level. Indeed, as far as I know, the toxicity of any substance is a function of its quantity.
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Old Mon, Jun-09-08, 18:11
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T2 can become a permanent disease that won't go into remission if your beta cells are damaged. That happens quite often in long-standing type 2 diabetes. And I seriously doubt that millions of people will adopt this WOE just because their doctors want them to. Diabetic compliance is very low. There are a lot of people who probably wouldn't find low carb appealing. Moderate carb, maybe, something along the lines of South Beach maintenance.
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T2 can become a permanent disease that won't go into remission if your beta cells are damaged.
Well that's a chance, especially if they keep trying the wrong thing.

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Diabetic compliance is very low.
I know I don't "comply" with the wrong methods that my doctor wants me to follow. But if she was giving me better data, I would be more in compliance. We cannot judge the compliance of people who are being told to eat a bunch of carbs, then fight off the cravings that will cause.
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All I can say is over the years, I've recommended Bernstein's book, talked about low carb benefits, weight loss, better health and A1cs under 5 and you know how many of my diabetic friends and acquaintances ever did anything with this info? Zero.

It's a real struggle for me to stay on plan and I'm very highly motivated.
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