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Old Thu, Mar-14-19, 13:12
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Default Plant Based vs. Keto: Pros and Cons

Found this article written by a Registered Nutritional Therapist in the UK regarding the pro-and-cons of keto versus vegan diets. Since so many nutritionists seem to give knee-jerk reactions against keto, I was rather pleased to see that she appears to be giving thoughtful consideration the science supporting keto.

I suspect that if push came to shove, she'd still promote an entirely vegan diet over a true ketogenic diet incorporating meat/fish and low carb veggies... despite recognizing that it is extremely difficult for a vegan to obtain enough of a variety of essential nutrients (including protein) while the biggest health negatives of a keto diet seem to be that one MIGHT NOT get enough fiber and that keto "may be very socially challenging and isolating." (huh???)

Plant Based Vegan vs. Ketogenic Diet: Pros and Cons
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Old Thu, Mar-14-19, 14:42
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Thanks, Bev. Good article, and fairly well balanced from a vegan standpoint. There are a couple points that don't make sense:

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The main benefit of a very low carbohydrate diet is weight loss, but this could also be seen as a disadvantage to those individuals not wanting to lose weight. Overall improved health, sporting performance, and endurance are among other advantages reported from this style of eating.

Certainly, the "main" benefit extends beyond mere weight loss, but it's true that weight loss is the impetus to start many on keto.

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Risks of a ketogenic diet include possible kidney damage due to a very high protein intake (11), however true ketogenic diets should only be relatively high in protein and higher in fat. Another potential downside to this diet is a reduced intake of vegetables due to their carbohydrate content, which results in a low intake of fibre and some plant-based nutrients. It is well known that adequate dietary fibre is essential for the maintenance of a healthy gut microbiome and for reducing the risk of colorectal disease (12). This diet may also be difficult to adhere to long-term, as it may be very socially challenging and isolating. While the ketogenic diet shows clinical promise for a range of health conditions, further studies are needed to investigate the therapeutic effectiveness, long-term safety, and the potential mechanisms of action.

I have issues with these statements, all seem to stem from a vegan bias. The question about the ability to adhere to keto for the long term seems to be repeated ad nauseum, and isn't consistent with my n=1 experiences.
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Vegans claim that meat eating is largely responsible for climate change due to bovine methane emissions. However, those arguing for a more carnivorous way of eating claim that environmental damage is the result of ruminant livestock’s confinement to feedlots which prevents proper recycling of waste nutrients back into the land. It is suggested that it is not the animals that are responsible for climate destruction, but rather the humans who are responsible for the farming methods that lead to an imbalanced methane cycle (13). Wild grazing ensures a healthier ecosystem for animals, humans, and the earth herself.

This is the area where we still have much to learn.
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What we do know for sure is that we are all genetically individual and unique, therefore there is no one-size-fits-all when it comes to diet. What works for one person may not necessarily work for the next. Working with a registered nutritional therapist can help you to personalize the diet that is right for you.

Well stated, agree 100%.
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Old Thu, Mar-14-19, 15:04
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Vegans claim that meat eating is largely responsible for climate change due to bovine methane emissions. However, those arguing for a more carnivorous way of eating claim that environmental damage is the result of ruminant livestock’s confinement to feedlots which prevents proper recycling of waste nutrients back into the land. It is suggested that it is not the animals that are responsible for climate destruction, but rather the humans who are responsible for the farming methods that lead to an imbalanced methane cycle (13). Wild grazing ensures a healthier ecosystem for animals, humans, and the earth herself.


I produce livestock. SMall scale. Raising cattle and sheep on pasture is a win-win all around. As the animals move, often a daily or every couple days, to new pasture the manure is even ly distributed and feeds the grasses. A symbiotic relationship.

Today nearl all cattle is moved into feedlot for the last 3-6 months to fatten up. Sheep on the other hand go straight to market.

There is a big to-do in the mid-west where the Feds are taking back lands that the cattlemen have leased for years. The practice of leased land was also a win-win.....

There are only two hog farming operations, that I know of, that are grassfed; the hogs roam the pasture land in small herds.

The sparrows are welcome here--- they break up the piles of manure and spread it very wide so it will wash down into the grasses. They were brought here by the European's just for this purpose, as no native bird filled the job description.

Europeans eat far more grass fed products than we do; it is pretty much the norm. We are the opposite.


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60 million buffalo used to roam free across the US plains, and today some 94 million cattle are the current 2018 numbers..... often begs the question how many humans contribute to the gas emissions...... The human population in 1800 was 7.2 million in the US and it is now 308 million ( 2010).... lot of gas emission there. lol
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