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Old Fri, Feb-05-10, 12:50
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my mom ate an organic high vegie diet and made up her 'anti cancer' drink in a vita mix which consisted of all the vegies on the list....she didn't eat fruit because of digestive problems.
unfortunately, it didn't work. so i won't be following that advice.

also, as a raw fooder in one of my previous lives, i met many trying to cure themselves but never met anyone who succeeded.
yes, i've read about them but never met any. that's telling.
i will not follow all this vegetarian hype. it ruined my health.

sorry for the rant. in the lc world we are trying not to make the same mistakes, i think?


As i said it really is a case to case study, and its better to find a good oncoligist and follow what he says, and get the proper cancer treatments.
I am sure that cutting out all process foods might have an impact but even then my grand mother is 87 years old this year and she eats chocolate, candy and all types of bad foods, she is overweight but still alive and cancer free.

I knew a very active guy that played hockey and ate a well balance diet, never smocked and he as terminal lung cancer.

Screening is the best way in my opinion to catch cancer early, and apply proper treatment. Even in low carb diet there are controversy some say it can treat cancer other say no.
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Old Sat, Feb-06-10, 08:01
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Screening is the best way in my opinion to catch cancer early, and apply proper treatment. Even in low carb diet there are controversy some say it can treat cancer other say no.
But screening throws up what MAY be potential cancers the MAY come summer and higher 25(OH)D3 status disappear on their own. The odds are that MOST cancers found by screening would disappear on their own if 25(OH)D3 and omega 3 status combined with a diet the reduced the availability of surplus glucose/glutamine cancers rely on to proliferate. The reason they reduced the availability of mammograms is they realized they were treating too many people unnecessarily.

We don't need more screening, we need more prevention and a better understanding generally of the factors that precipitate cancer development.
Perhaps if we loaned out blood glucose meters so everyone had a weeks use of one every year the shock of seeing how fast acting carbs raise blood glucose to dangerous levels may encourage people to eat less.

With regard to your lung cancer example most people aren't aware that Low Vitamin D3 status damages the lungs TWICE as much as smoking If you live in a town not only is urban pollution damaging your lungs but it is also absorbing UVB and so however much you are outdoors if no UVB is reaching the ground in your city because of the level of atmospheric pollution, your body isn't making Vitamin D3 and that means you are vulnerable to chest infections and these progressively damage the lungs resulting in double the damage that cigarettes cause. (Industrial asbestos pollution and passive smoking (living with a smoker) are other lung cancer risk factors.

Cancers are less able to grow if their food supply is limited, hence the low carb low calorie advice and they are also less able to grow when Vitamin D3 status is 65ng/ml ~ 80nm/ml and you omega 6<> omega 3 ratio is below 4 omega 6 <> 1 omega 3.

Omega-3 from fish oils helps maintain low glucose levels while elevating ketone levels, they have also been shown to have beneficial effects on tumor-suppressing genes and also chemopreventive effects.
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Old Sat, Feb-06-10, 08:51
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But screening throws up what MAY be potential cancers the MAY come summer and higher 25(OH)D3 status disappear on their own. The odds are that MOST cancers found by screening would disappear on their own if 25(OH)D3 and omega 3 status combined with a diet the reduced the availability of surplus glucose/glutamine cancers rely on to proliferate. The reason they reduced the availability of mammograms is they realized they were treating too many people unnecessarily.

We don't need more screening, we need more prevention and a better understanding generally of the factors that precipitate cancer development.
Perhaps if we loaned out blood glucose meters so everyone had a weeks use of one every year the shock of seeing how fast acting carbs raise blood glucose to dangerous levels may encourage people to eat less.

With regard to your lung cancer example most people aren't aware that Low Vitamin D3 status damages the lungs TWICE as much as smoking If you live in a town not only is urban pollution damaging your lungs but it is also absorbing UVB and so however much you are outdoors if no UVB is reaching the ground in your city because of the level of atmospheric pollution, your body isn't making Vitamin D3 and that means you are vulnerable to chest infections and these progressively damage the lungs resulting in double the damage that cigarettes cause. (Industrial asbestos pollution and passive smoking (living with a smoker) are other lung cancer risk factors.

Cancers are less able to grow if their food supply is limited, hence the low carb low calorie advice and they are also less able to grow when Vitamin D3 status is 65ng/ml ~ 80nm/ml and you omega 6<> omega 3 ratio is below 4 omega 6 <> 1 omega 3.

Omega-3 from fish oils helps maintain low glucose levels while elevating ketone levels, they have also been shown to have beneficial effects on tumor-suppressing genes and also chemopreventive effects.


Great post again thank you for the information, what about detoxifing the body with an infra red sauna any studies on this?
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Old Sat, Feb-06-10, 09:46
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[QUOTE=Nancy LC]Do any of you all remember the big too do over DCA? It is a chemical that cuts off cancer cells ability to use glucose. They're forced to used ketones, or die. I remember they said it wouldn't work for all cancers because apparently some can use ketones.

Not sure where DCA research stands right now, I know a lot of cancer patients were experimenting on themselves.[/QUOTE

yes, I read quite a bit on their website and forum

http://www.thedcasite.com/

there is also the budwig diet. don't know if I agree with all of her food choices, but I think the cottage cheese/flax would be safe enough?

http://www.cancure.org/budwig_diet.htm
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Old Sat, Feb-06-10, 10:48
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Instead of flax look into CHIA seeds they have a lot more to offer.

I cannot eat cottage cheese because it containes lactose and it makes me bloat, there is a lot of casein protein in it tought.

I am on a low glycemic diet right now, i will eat broccoli, califlour, spinach and cabbage, as for fruits i allow myself 1/2 cup of mixed berries a day.

From what i have read veggies dont have that much of an impact if any on insuline level. I rather lose my weight slower then do the yoyo again, and i beleive in this way of eating, it does have many benefits.
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Old Sat, Feb-06-10, 13:25
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Family Circle Magazine (October 1, 2009 issue, it is online) has a story on pages 97-98. The mother, a very good friend of ours, just died of breast cancer after a 20 year struggle. She had a gene mutation BRCA which greatly increases the chances of getting breast cancer. Her three daughters all have the same gene. So the two oldest girls had their breasts removed preemptively, and also had their ovaries and uterus removed to reduce estrogen production.
http://www.familycircle-digital.com...1/?pg=100#pg100

One conclusion reached is that usually older women get breast cancer, and altered genes are a strong possibility for a younger women to get the disease.

The other conclusion, if your doctor recommends surgery to reduce estrogen production, it might be a good idea.
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Old Sat, Feb-06-10, 14:53
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I have nothing to add. I just wanted to say I'm sorry your going through this and I wish you well.
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Old Sat, Feb-06-10, 15:17
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Family Circle Magazine (October 1, 2009 issue, it is online) has a story on pages 97-98. The mother, a very good friend of ours, just died of breast cancer after a 20 year struggle. She had a gene mutation BRCA which greatly increases the chances of getting breast cancer. Her three daughters all have the same gene. So the two oldest girls had their breasts removed preemptively, and also had their ovaries and uterus removed to reduce estrogen production.
http://www.familycircle-digital.com...1/?pg=100#pg100

One conclusion reached is that usually older women get breast cancer, and altered genes are a strong possibility for a younger women to get the disease.

The other conclusion, if your doctor recommends surgery to reduce estrogen production, it might be a good idea.


There's another side to the BRCA gene story. And it has to do with vitamin D.

Recent research has proven that vitamin D controls the functions of many genes...can turn genes on and off. This was not discovered until about 3-5 years ago and is what opened new avenues of vitamin D research.

The research trial, or one of them, that started this new line of research was a vitamin D study with women with the BRCA gene. They wanted to find out if there was a link of vitamin D deficiency in these women and, if so, would bringing these women to vitamin D sufficiency have a protective effect to prevent breast cancer.

They took their vitamin D levels...they all had low levels.
They supplemented D3 to bring their levels to 60-70 ng/ml.
Once their vitamin D levels rose to those levels, the BRCA gene turned off. They were shocked. Vitamin D sufficiency turned the BRCA gene OFF.

The conclusion they reached was that, thus, the BRCA gene was not genetic but a function of vitamin D deficiency...deficient mothers having vitamin D deficient daughters and then those vitamin D deficient daughters continuing to birth vitamin D deficient daughters.

In other words, the BRCA gene was not genetic but due to environmental, generational vitamin D deficiency.

So, anyone who has cancer, has a family history of cancer, or a "genetic" marker for cancer should definitely have a 25[OH]D test done and supplement to reach and maintain optimum vitamin D levels.

It may save your life.

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Old Sat, Feb-06-10, 15:37
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Thank-you, I will pass this information on to them especially as the youngest sister still has not had her breasts removed.
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Old Sat, Feb-06-10, 15:44
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Zuleikaa,
You maybe could do a good deed, if you emailed Family Circle magazine as a followup to their article. I would not be surprised if they interviewed you for publication.
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Family Circle Magazine (October 1, 2009 issue, it is online) has a story on pages 97-98. The mother, a very good friend of ours, just died of breast cancer after a 20 year struggle. She had a gene mutation BRCA which greatly increases the chances of getting breast cancer. Her three daughters all have the same gene. So the two oldest girls had their breasts removed preemptively, and also had their ovaries and uterus removed to reduce estrogen production.
Good luck to them. I read about a woman who *also* had her breasts removed preemptively after her three older sisters died of breast cancer in their early 40s, but she got breast cancer in the peripheral tissue anyway and died at an even younger age (late 30s) than her sisters.
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Old Tue, Feb-23-10, 18:40
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Good luck to them. I read about a woman who *also* had her breasts removed preemptively after her three older sisters died of breast cancer in their early 40s, but she got breast cancer in the peripheral tissue anyway and died at an even younger age (late 30s) than her sisters.


Sharon was one of the nicest human beings I have ever met in my life. I had a Brittany Spaniel who was an escape artist, who would escape to visit with one person - Sharon, who lived down the street. After she sat with Sharon for about an hour, she would return home.

When I read men who take folic acid supplements are three times as likely to get prostate cancer as men who do not take supplements, it made me wonder if this is also a cause of breast cancer in women. I have read iodine (not iodide) supplements are considered preventive of both cancers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folic_acid

"It is especially important during periods of rapid cell division and growth."

It is added to wheat products in America. I saw another study of heart patients in Norway which said those given B12 and folic acid were more likely to die of cancer and all causes of death, than those who were not. Norway does not add folic acid to food. I think it is always better to get vitamins from food, not from supplements.

I also consider not iodide - which is necessary for the thyroid - but iodine - which is needed for glands - lack of which may be a contributing factor. No iodine is added to table salt, just iodide. Why Lugol's solution, or iodoral, may be a good idea as a preventive.
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Why Lugol's solution, or iodoral, may be a good idea as a preventive.
Funnily enough I just order a bottle of Iodoral two days ago.
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