My first introduction to arachadonic acid which I alwsys mispell, was in DANDR. Dr A cautioned all as it affects some people negatively.

Figured a discussion of aa might benefit more than a few people. So please jump in and add your ecoerience with this essential nutrient.

This was a positive article, with negatives at the end.
https://bodynutrition.org/arachidonic-acid/

I find the article very misleading. The article is unjustly picking on peanuts which are not even in the list of the top 10.

AA is predominantly found in animal products.

Food sources of arachidonic acid (PFA 20:4), listed in descending order by percentages of their contribution to intake, based on data from the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey 2005-2006

Food and Contribution to intake (%)

1. Chicken and chicken mixed dishes 26.9%
2. Eggs and egg mixed dishes 17.8%
3. Beef and beef mixed dishes 7.3%
4. Sausage, franks, bacon, and ribs 6.7%
5. Other fish and fish mixed dishes 5.8%
6. Burgers 4.6%
7. Cold cuts 3.3%
8. Pork and pork mixed dishes 3.1%
9. Mexican mixed dishes 3.1%
10. Pizza 2.8%

As you can see, there is a big decrease between #2 and #3. Peanuts aren't even close and Chicken and Eggs are the major contributors.

For those with inflammatory conditions like arthritis, bursitis and others, reduction in AA can bring relief and slow the destruction of the body.

When describing my inherited bursitis pain, a doctor recommend the Arthritis/Bursitis diet. Being low carb, I was already following most of it, but eliminating the AA foods gave me 99% relief, and 30 years later, it's still gone.

For both arthritis and bursitis, treatment is similar: Try the dietary approach first, and if that doesn't work, take stronger action. Foods that may contribute to chronic inflammation are foods with a high glycemic index (foods that convert to sugar quickly), such as fruit juices, sugars, simple starches, or rice cakes, foods heavy in polyunsaturated or saturated fats, and foods high in arachidonic acid. Some specific foods to avoid are:

• Fatty cuts of red meat (high in saturated fats) lean is good
• Organ meats: liver, kidney, and so forth (very high in arachidonic acid)
• Egg yolks (very high in arachidonic acid)
• Poultry - chicken, duck, turkey (very high in arachadonic acid)
• Pasta (high glycemic index)
• Juices (high glycemic index)
• Rice, especially rice cakes (high glycemic index)
• White bread (substitute whole grain breads such as rye)
• Nightshade Plants bother many people (tomatoes, potatoes, eggplants, peppers, paprika)

Before the dietary change I couldn't walk 2 blocks without stopping and resting and I couldn't drive without a 'blue ice' pack behind my hip. Now I walk 4 miles a day a few days per week and can drive all day with zero pain.

I said 99%. What's left? If I'm driving about 8 hours, I'll have a dull ache in the right hip. Not enough to be called pain, just enough to remind me of the problem I used to have. The arthritis in my hand from a basketball accident is 100% gone.

I don't know if this diet will help everyone, but it has helped me, my wife, and everyone else I know that have followed it. Of course, a lot of people won't follow it because they would rather live with pain than give up certain foods.

I also think the dietary approach is superior to supplements and drugs that mask the pain while the destruction of the body continues. Not to mention the negative side effects of many prescription drugs - you know the stuff the mumble at the end of the ads or put in the fine print.

I figure if you can eliminate your personal negatives with diet, you are better off than adding things to lessen the pain of those negatives.

I miss chicken and egg yolks, but I certainly don't miss the pain. It's a good trade.

To each their own I guess.

Bob

Bob, Im unclear on the meaning of this

"Food and Contribution to intake (%)".

Am I understanding correctly you dont eat eggs nor chicken but eat steak?

The article I posted left me confused, as it states we produce aa as part of our cell structure or biochemistry. Makes me want to know more...

from arthitis.org




Im trying to wrap my head around this: why are only some people affected? Or is the effect like glutin/wheat that in reality we are all affected? Or does it aggrivate an underlying oroblem, like a postmemopausal woman who eats sugar gets hotflashes but with HRT hot flashes via sugar are eliminated.....?

Im known to go down the rabbit hole......

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topic...rachidonic-acid

this bit makes me think the metabolites agrivate an existing issue......

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6052655/

The title of the papet caught my attention. Perhaps omega 3's have an important role, enough to supplement.




https://www.hindawi.com/journals/bmri/2015/285135/

source---https://examine.com/supplements/arachidonic-acid/

Early in my foray into LC, in my zeal to get more O3, I ate eggs that were high in O3 (chickens fed a diet of mostly flaxseed). Headaches, stuffed up sinuses & joint pain ensued. I had never had problems with eggs before, but went on an elimination diet and when I added back regular eggs, I was fine with them. When I tried O3 eggs I got the bad reaction and got it with plain flaxseeds as well … so I avoid both. I also wonder if peoples' reactions to chicken are related to what the birds are fed. In some areas soybeans, other areas corn.

Ms Arielle, I'm not an expert, but I think everybody is affected by AA, it's just more obvious to people with arthritis and other similar conditions.

Yes I eat lean beef which has 2.4% of the amount of AA that chicken has. That is quite a difference. I eat 100% grass fed beef which has a much better omega 6 to omega 3 ratio (less 6 and more 3). I get fats elsewhere to keep myself in keto.

My hip knows the difference. One chicken meal or 4 egg yolks and the pain starts coming back.

If you have arthritis or bursitis pain, try the diet for two months. Most people notice the difference in a couple of weeks to a month. If it doesn't work for you, what have you lost? But you have to follow it strictly.

Bob

I've heard it was the feed, but it was an unscientific article that the research that I did couldn't verify. But then, I didn't spend a lot of time at it.

Bob

To my understanding, too much n-6 and too little n-3 can result in some n-6 taking the place of n-3, where it doesn't serve as effectively as n-3 would. The specific details of the metabolic processes themselves I still don't have committed to memory just yet, but the basic idea is to prevent this from happening by increasing n-3 intake and avoiding concentrated sources of n-6, with a view to improving one's overall 3-to-6 ratio.

In practical terms for me, this means getting one plate of salmon each week, plus the tuna in my omelettes, and the inclusion of chia seeds in my smoothies now and then; while at the same time avoiding vegetable oils, cooking instead with EVOO and/or butter.

That's funny, I could swear that last night I posted a list of the grains in chicken feed.....oh well

Some one else lost a post too. Likely a technical glitch.

That list was probably VERY long, lol.

The manufactuer of my current source of feed lists only vague but legal content. I miss my other supplier, but even he said organic cirn and soy is not an option for a small outfit like his. He mostly provides horse feeds. The BIG companies do sell organic chicken feed.

I DREAM OF producing all the feed for my chickens. Someday.