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Old Wed, Jan-21-04, 17:30
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Published Wednesday, January 21, 2004

Florida orange growers fight back against low carb diets

By MIKE SCHNEIDER, Associated Press Writer, LAKELAND, Fla.


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Tired of losing orange juice drinkers to low-carb diets that prohibit the drink, Florida's citrus growers are fighting back.

The state Department of Citrus on Wednesday redirected its marketing strategy to convince consumers that orange juice can be compatible with the Atkins diet as well as the weight loss plan pushed by television talk show host Dr. Phil McGraw.

The department's lawyer also is reviewing some books - such as "The South Beach Diet," which discourages drinking orange juice while dieting - and other publications for possible violation of state disparagement statutes.

About $1.8 million will be spent on a marketing campaign to combat the bad image caused by the low-carb diets. The department is abandoning a marketing campaign that targeted moms and young professional woman who watch television shows like "Sex in the City."

"There are powerful, negative messages against us," said Bob Crawford, executive director of the Florida Department of Citrus. "We're not going to stand and take it."

Florida's $9 billion citrus industry has reason to be concerned.

Orange juice consumption has gone from a high of 888 million gallons during the 2000-2001 growing season to an expected 844 million gallons for the current season. Citrus officials blame part of that drop to unsuccessful marketing, but they said a noticeable drop occurred last March when low-carb diets began to reach a critical mass.

"People are dropping out of the market," Dan Gunter, a consultant for the Department of Citrus, told members of the Citrus Commission, which oversees the agency.

Crawford said he thinks orange juice could be compatible with the Atkins diet and Dr. Phil's diet because those diets leave room for orange juice consumption.

Under Florida law, growers may sue anyone who publicly says fruits, vegetables and other perishable food products are unsafe for consumption but can't back up their claims with scientific evidence.

"I think if people write things that aren't true about our product, we'll first talk about it with them and hopefully avoid litigation," Crawford said. "We're not going to stand back and be slandered."

In "The South Beach Diet," Dr. Arthur Agatston urges readers to eat fruits rather than drink fruit juice.

"Again, fruit juices are a big source of trouble, in part because we've come to associate them with healthy habits," Agatston writes in the best-selling book. "But they also bring with them high levels of fructose, which can be the undoing of any effort to lose weight."

The publisher of "The South Beach Diet," Rodale Inc., said it stands by the book's "sound nutritional advice."

Most of Florida's oranges are processed into juice. Florida is the nation's largest producer of oranges and second in the world to Brazil. Florida growers are expected to have their largest crop ever - 250 million 80-pound boxes.

Some members of Florida's citrus industry have adopted to the low-carb phenomenon. PepsiCo Inc.'s Tropicana earlier this month introduced Light 'n Healthy, a line that has a third less sugar and calories than regular orange juice.

An 8-ounce serving of Light 'n Healthy has about 70 calories and 14 grams of sugar, about a third less than regular Tropicana orange juice, which has 110 calories and 22 grams of sugar.

Citrus commission members received some optimistic news Wednesday about diet and citrus.

A study commissioned by the Department of Citrus and conducted by Scripps Clinic in San Diego showed that people who consumed half a white grapefruit or drank a serving of grapefruit juice three times a day without changing any other part of their diet or exercise lost more than three pounds. The study also showed declines in insulin and glucose levels.

The study examined 79 people over a three month period.

The Department of Citrus is planning a marketing campaign around the study's results.

"All of those diets tell you to eat fresh fruit," said Andy LaVigne, the state's largest citrus growers association. "So how about some grapefruit?"
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Old Wed, Jan-21-04, 19:27
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Under Florida law, growers may sue anyone who publicly says fruits, vegetables and other perishable food products are unsafe for consumption but can't back up their claims with scientific evidence.


I don't think that any of the low carb authors has said that drinking fruit juice is "unsafe". Only that they concentrate the fructose and allow you to consume the same amount of fructose found in about 4 oranges in one quick glass (minus most of the fiber, of course) and that for the amount of carbs you get in that one small glass of juice, there are far more nutritious choices that are far more beneficial to weight loss.
It's also sound advice to choose the whole fruit over the juice of that same fruit, but that would mean the sale of much less oranges, wouldn't it?
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Old Wed, Jan-21-04, 19:35
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Everyone blames us Atkins followers for raising the price of beef, do you think they will thank us for driving down orange juice prices?

Oh, wait, they are gonna keep the price the same and badmouth us. Never mind.

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>>"...marketing strategy to convince consumers that orange juice can be compatible with the Atkins diet..."

Now I've heard everything!

>>"We're not going to stand back and be slandered."

Okay, *now* I've heard everything! Unless Dr Agatson created some whopper lies about orange juice, it's hardly slander. What a joke.
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Old Wed, Jan-21-04, 20:06
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The free orange juice my company provides has more sugar than the free Coca-Cola they USED TO provide.

Go ahead and sue me, Florida, if you can quit arguing over the chads long enough to file a suit.
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Well... they should grow grapefruit then.
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1 medium Grapefruit -- 17.86
1 medium Orange -- 12.25
1 medium Tangelo -- 8.88
1 medium Tangerine -- 7.47

4 oz. Tangelo -- 8.60
4 oz. Orange -- 7.85
4 oz. Tangerine -- 7.11
4 oz. Grapefruit -- 3.90

Prune Juice -- 42.11
Grape Juice -- 37.60
Papaya Juice -- 34.36
Passionfruit Juice -- 34.15
Pineapple Juice -- 33.95
Cranberry Juice -- 31.88
Apple Juice -- 28.72
Orange Juice -- 26.56
Tangerine Juice -- 24.46
Grapefruit Juice -- 21.88
Lime Juice -- 21.18
Lemon Juice -- 20.08
Blackberry Juice -- 19.25
Strawberry Juice -- 16.35
Watermelon Juice -- 15.90
Tomato Juice -- 9.31

Carrot Juice -- 20.03 (1.89 Fiber)
Celery Juice -- 5.68g (3.78 Fiber)

Fruit for Fruit, Tangerines and Tangelos would be the best choice. Ounce for Ounce, Grapefruit would be the best.

As for Juices, most are very high in Sugar...though Tomato Juice [typically considered a Vegetable, but really a Fruit] is pretty low as is Celery Juice [which is a Vegetable.] Lemon and Lime Juices are high, but can successfully be added in very small amounts [with a non-caloric sweetener] to water...to produce a drink that is low in carbs, yet has a Lemon and/or Lime taste.

It is possible to reduce or even eliminate most of the sugar in Fruit Juice. There are a number of Reduced Sugar Juices already out there. If the Orange industry is incapable of comprehending this, then they obviously don't have the sense to run a business properly.

BTW, all my numbers for Juices are based on the Juice itself. If you add extra sugar [as is often done,] the amount goes through the roof. Even back in my Low-Calorie [Low-Fat] days, I wouldn't touch Orange Juice because the stuff was so damn high in Calories [for a Drink.] For reference, Orange Juice has 1/3 more Calories than Soda. I would have been better off Calorically speaking, drinking a Coke.
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Under Florida law, growers may sue anyone who publicly says fruits, vegetables and other perishable food products are unsafe for consumption but can't back up their claims with scientific evidence.

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Gee. How come they don't have a law that protects beef producers, pork producers, dairy farmers, and the like?

You hear MDs, and RDs, and all sorts of crackpot nutritionists saying beef, butter, pork, cream, cheese will kill you. All without scientific evidence.

How come that's not illegal?
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Old Thu, Jan-22-04, 12:28
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Good remark KWald...

For years those 'experts' have been scaring people away from healthy, natural foods, and towards nutrient-devoid processed foods, without scientific evidence!
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Under Florida law, growers may sue anyone who publicly says fruits, vegetables and other perishable food products are unsafe for consumption but can't back up their claims with scientific evidence.

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Gee. How come they don't have a law that protects beef producers, pork producers, dairy farmers, and the like?

You hear MDs, and RDs, and all sorts of crackpot nutritionists saying beef, butter, pork, cream, cheese will kill you. All without scientific evidence.

How come that's not illegal?


I don't know about Florida, but Texas does, or at least used to...Remember when they sued Oprah for calling Ground Beef unsafe ??? As for the Beef...you missed the big one: PETA/PCRM. They've been claiming for years now [with no scientific evidence to back it up] that Meat causes Impotence. If anyone should be sued under such laws, it should definitely be PETA and especially PCRM since their name falsely portrays themselves as Doctors, thus giving their fallacious claims seeming credibility.
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Under Florida law, growers may sue anyone who publicly says fruits, vegetables and other perishable food products are unsafe for consumption but can't back up their claims with scientific evidence.

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Gee. How come they don't have a law that protects beef producers, pork producers, dairy farmers, and the like?



The Texas cattlemen sued Oprah, didn't they? That's when Dr. Phil came to prominence, he helped Oprah keep cool through the ordeal. And she did, and she won against the Texans' multimillion dollar anti-defamation suit!
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Whatever happened to freedome of speech in the US?
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Whatever happened to freedome of speech in the US?


Two Words: PATRIOT Act
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>1 medium Grapefruit -- 17.86
>1 medium Orange -- 12.25
>1 medium Tangelo -- 8.88
>1 medium Tangerine -- 7.47

I thought Grapefruit has least carb/sugar of all these...
pl. clarify...
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>1 medium Grapefruit -- 17.86
>1 medium Orange -- 12.25
>1 medium Tangelo -- 8.88
>1 medium Tangerine -- 7.47

I thought Grapefruit has least carb/sugar of all these...
pl. clarify...


one med grapefruit is still huge compaired to any of the other fruits
if you looked at the other list you will notice it is the lowest
"4 oz. Tangelo -- 8.60
4 oz. Orange -- 7.85
4 oz. Tangerine -- 7.11
4 oz. Grapefruit -- 3.90"
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