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Old Sun, Dec-22-19, 20:10
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Plan: atkins, carnivore 2023
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So far it's working. I've had my teeth 30 years longer than most of the people in my dad's side of the family.


a good litmus test.
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Old Sun, Dec-22-19, 23:52
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Plan: PSMF/IF
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Progress: 98%
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"Just keep doing what you are doing." They all say that

My dentist finally said he would look into my routine. I think the DNA lab saliva result tweaked his curiosity.

Now using "Secrets of the Tribe" bloodroot tincture daily. Peppermint and baking soda are all helpful, but clove and manuka oils prevent bacterial biofilm formation by blocking adhesion and bug quorum sensing.
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Old Mon, Dec-23-19, 14:55
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Plan: Keto (Atkins Induction)
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<...snip...>Now using "Secrets of the Tribe" bloodroot tincture daily.<...>

Bloodroot was the active ingredient in Viadent, until Colgate bought it. I put it on top of my toothpaste (not the Ipsab brushing)

We're on well water too Ms Arielle and fortunately I never have to buy any of that overpriced bottled tap water.

Bob
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Old Mon, Dec-23-19, 00:39
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hmmm, thats interesting. The combination of vlc and baking soda eliminates biofilm for me, but on the lower incisors plaque adheres where the gum has receded on the tongue side. The gums did "grow" for lack of better term noticeably for all teeth, but not enough to eliminate the exposure where the tartar is noticeable inside the incisors. I keep scraping this in hopes the gums will fill in. Perhaps a little more help is necessary.
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Old Thu, Jan-16-20, 10:37
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Plan: KetoCarnivore
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In 2006, my hygienist was putting antibiotic chips down my gums.
My dentist told me my gums were bad, my teeth were loose, the hygienist used to put a numbing solution on my gums before cleaning them..
Dentist sent me to a periodontist and he wanted to pull most of my teeth, do bone grafting and implants and give me dentures..

That's when I had begun reading Good Calories, Bad Calories, by Gary Taubes.
I was also involved with someone that didn't eat meat, and I chose to follow along with a lot of carbs..

That was the beginning of going Carnivore for 6 yrs solidly..
Been eating mostly meat since 1973, but along with 20 grams of carbs...
but after going Carnivore for 6 good solid years, I went to my hygienist one day and she told me I had no pockets, my teeth were strong and tight, no inflammation and it didn't look like I needed to have teeth pulled.

This morning, I have just returned from my cleaning...
she told me I don't bleed, my gums looks strong and pink, tight teeth, no pockets.. my teeth barely had any tartar. she showed me the little tiny cotton swab that she wipes her picks on.. and she told me there was barely anything on the swab.. she said, "you should see what I pick out of people's teeth."

Staying away from carbs, sugar, grains.... fast food and anything else that is not healthy to the human body rewards us with a healthy mouth.

I'm good for another 6 months...

I do not use toothpaste.
I brush my teeth with a combination of coconut oil, mixed with baking soda. it sits in a little jar on the counter..
i whiten my teeth every other week with activated charcoal....
i pick my teeth with a dental poker and I floss after every meal.


and that's my routine....
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Old Mon, Dec-23-19, 06:44
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Thanks to Ms Arielle I usually just brush with baking soda, since it's also my favorite facial exfoliant and it's right there. I love it!

Since going low carb my hygienist have exclaimed over my A grades on dental. I added a "floss brush" electric toothbrush from Oral B, and now I don't bother flossing... and got an A+!

Per Dr. Jack Kruse, I avoid fluoride in all its forms.
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Old Tue, Jan-07-20, 08:41
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Plan: PSMF/IF
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Thanks to Ms Arielle I usually just brush with baking soda, since it's also my favorite facial exfoliant and it's right there. I love it!

Since going low carb my hygienist have exclaimed over my A grades on dental. I added a "floss brush" electric toothbrush from Oral B, and now I don't bother flossing... and got an A+!

Per Dr. Jack Kruse, I avoid fluoride in all its forms.
Due to your post I got one

More expensive then the $5 ARM & HAMMER™ Spinbrush™ that is likely just as good but has a 2X larger brush head.

Also got a couple bottles of dreaming earth botanicals "Love Your Mouth" oil to brush with. It's not as strong as that from OraWellness but half the cost.
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Certified Organic toothpaste alternative - Help restore a balance to your oral micro biome, your oral flora, with OraWellness HealThy Mouth Blend.

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Old Mon, Dec-23-19, 13:21
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We are on well water, so no flouride and no chlorine.

And I dont floss either, though I say I do if asked. Jyst easier to not explain low carb. Flossing is for when a bit of meat or sinew caught between teeth.
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Old Mon, Dec-23-19, 17:14
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DH just told me his gingivitis has improved. He's been using TOM'S of Maine brand baking soda tooth paste. And his teeth dont hurt anymore.

He is a diligent twice a year see dentist for cleaning type.... yet had problems until changing toothpaste.
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Old Tue, Dec-24-19, 10:28
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Plan: Protein Power/Atkins
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Until last year I was under the care of a periodontist since 1080
I have had 3 gum resections and had professional cleanin every 3 months. Nothing stopped the gum disease

One day my general dentist asked if i would like to participate in a study run by a dental hygienist. I agreed

The study consisted of finding out just exactly what bacteria were present in my mouth then treating them with specific antibiotics. If I recall correctly, it took about 6 months to clear my mouth of harmful bacteria. I have been clear since with no further gum disease.

I do believe that a low carb diet helps me maintain
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Old Tue, Dec-24-19, 11:34
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Plan: Atkins DANDR
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Until last year I was under the care of a periodontist since 1080
I have had 3 gum resections and had professional cleanin every 3 months. Nothing stopped the gum disease

One day my general dentist asked if i would like to participate in a study run by a dental hygienist. I agreed

The study consisted of finding out just exactly what bacteria were present in my mouth then treating them with specific antibiotics. If I recall correctly, it took about 6 months to clear my mouth of harmful bacteria. I have been clear since with no further gum disease.

I do believe that a low carb diet helps me maintain



Wow, I have so many questions about that, I hope you don't mind but this interests me.
What was the bacteria they did find, what treatment and what antibiotic and was it administered directly into the gums or taken by pill?
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Old Wed, Jan-01-20, 17:49
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Plan: PSMF/IF
Stats: 236/181/180 Male 72 inches
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Progress: 98%
Location: Alamo city, Texas
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Until last year I was under the care of a periodontist since 1080
I have had 3 gum resections and had professional cleanin every 3 months. Nothing stopped the gum disease

One day my general dentist asked if i would like to participate in a study run by a dental hygienist. I agreed

The study consisted of finding out just exactly what bacteria were present in my mouth then treating them with specific antibiotics. If I recall correctly, it took about 6 months to clear my mouth of harmful bacteria. I have been clear since with no further gum disease.

I do believe that a low carb diet helps me maintain
Yeah, I was told it's bad bacteria and there is no cure once you get it.

Nebula Genomics DNA shows all the mouth bacteria and % of it. I didn't have their phenotype test till after doing my curative regimen. I believe kefir, with its 50+ strains of bacteria and yeast acts like a living antibiotic when it re-colonizes your mouth. It won't spoil even if left out of the fridge for days. The essential oils also help. I use those in the morning and rinse with kefir before bed after soda brushing and using a water pik. I try to use floss pik once-a-day especially after eating meat or jerky. Can't stand stuff stuck between my teeth
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Old Thu, Jan-02-20, 03:16
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Plan: Protein Power/Atkins
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Yeah, I was told it's bad bacteria and there is no cure once you get it.



In my case, specific antibiotics for the specific bacteria in my mouth did stop the gingivitis. I no longer have gum disease and that was over 10 years ago.
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Old Tue, Dec-24-19, 12:39
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Meme#1
Sorry I can't answer your questions. The dental hygienist was going to do a film clip of those of us who benefited by her experiment but she suddenly dropped the whole issue. (I suspect she got backlash from dentists.)

I am giving you the website for my general dentist who carried out the experiment on me. Is the information classified? I hace no idea.

Tell Dr Elena you heard the story from me (Dr Pamela Brink) and wanted more information. I suspect she is continuing the protocol. My periodontist will not admit that she cured my periodontitis.

http://www.kuceydental.ca/about-us/...ernandez-kucey/
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Old Tue, Dec-24-19, 13:05
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Meme#1
Sorry I can't answer your questions. The dental hygienist was going to do a film clip of those of us who benefited by her experiment but she suddenly dropped the whole issue. (I suspect she got backlash from dentists.)

I am giving you the website for my general dentist who carried out the experiment on me. Is the information classified? I hace no idea.

Tell Dr Elena you heard the story from me (Dr Pamela Brink) and wanted more information. I suspect she is continuing the protocol. My periodontist will not admit that she cured my periodontitis.

http://www.kuceydental.ca/about-us/...ernandez-kucey/


Thanks Benay, I will read.
It's always been curious to me how they are so clueless on the causes and yet they continue the deep root method of cleaning knowing full and well that it probably will do no good.
It just makes sense that it must be a bacteria but why they won't treat it as such is the curious part. They say it runs in families and to me common sense (again) makes me think that's because the bacteria is transmitted from one family member to another.
So when you wrote this I had hopes of knowing if it could be a staph, strep or some other bad bacteria that is so strong that it just will not die on it's own..
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