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Old Wed, Feb-18-04, 13:04
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Potatofree will chime in on the beet sugar question-its still around. Cane sugar is more prevelant because of the subsidies.As is HFCS. THe trans-fats are new and HFCS
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Old Wed, Feb-18-04, 19:36
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I think that was where the 20 year rule came from. in the late 1800's was when the flour refinerys really got going and sugarand white flour became cheap, plentiful and common. It was also duing the 1800's that margarine was invented. Before that time, flours were mostly whole wheat with white flour being more expensive and saved for special occasions. Also other grains were also commonly used. As the industrial revolution came, these goods, widespread and readily available, became eaten every day and not just ocassionally. Refined replaced whole grains. Sugar and desserts became a daily not just Sunday occurance. I also think the widespread acceptance of margarine with its trans fats was an issue.

The soft drinks industry also started and became prevelent at this time. Soft drinks ousted water and teas in daily comsumption. Even later was fruit juice, drink, ade production.
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I'll have to sit down with my 84 year old mother and ask her all about what they ate when she was young. I just wish my grandmother was around so I could ask her, but she'd be 122 years old!
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Interesting coincidence - Crisco was introduced in 1911, and heavy marketing began in 1912. It was marketed as a healthy alternative to the lard that people had been using forever in baking and frying and was very successful from the start.
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Another thing that occurs to me is that the carb-pushers say that exercise will cure the glucose excesses. But really, is doing a half an hour of exercise a day really sufficient?


Perhaps, if it is a half hour of intense exercise, such as cardio at >=80% of maximum heart rate, or weightlifting at maximal or near-maximal poundages. But that would be to maintain your weight, not to lose.

And I would think that if you have a metabolic problem, all bets are off.

Makes more sense to cut the carbs, IMO.
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Here's a year-old discussion of the same topic. If you scroll down to the middle of the page, there are some interesting posts from a person called Tdn on this topic.

Seems that heart attacks and heart disease did exist, they just weren't nearly as common at the time as they are now.
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Old Tue, Feb-24-04, 11:01
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I can tell you exactly why people had less heart attacks in the old days because I can still remember. Of course, they worked harder then but, most importantly, they:
1. ate raw, unpasturized dairy products made from grass fed cows and free-run chicken eggs
2. ate range fed animals (not grain or otherwise fed)
3. Baked their own breads, desserts
4. Were not afraid of eating saturated fat such as butter or lard
5. did not eat soy products, powdered proteins, anything processed.

In other words, they ate pure, unrefined, unprocessed, natural foods. No they did not eat low-carb per se but they also did not eat all the garbage, low-carb or no, that we eat today that contain chemicals, poisons and fillers and almost no nutrition.
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Well, I talked to my Mom a little more about their diet. My parents were born in 1919. I was a late baby, I was born when my mom was almost 40. It seems they ate entirely white flour and they used at least 100 lb bag of sugar a year for just her and my father. They grew beets so I guess they got free sugar from whoever milled it. And that was during the war when sugar was scarce. They ate magarine instead of butter because it was much cheaper. My sister told me how she used to enjoy mixing the food coloring into the margarine. Apparently the margarine came with the food coloring not mixed into it. It was white in color and I guess people wanted it to be yellow. They ate lots of meat.

I asked them how their parents ate, I don't think it was substantially different from that.

However, the one thing is, they were far, far more active throughout the day. Rather than us who are sedentary almost all day long (most of us) and maybe have short bursts of activity.

Klodomir! That's a good discussion. Thanks for providing the link.

My thought is Dr. Atkins was either wrong or else he just didn't say it the way he meant it to come out.

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Yes heart attacks and heart disease existed before 1912. However they were so rare in the general population that there was no need for specialists in the disease.

The 20 year rule of thumb came because the rise of heart disease can be traced to 20 years after the start/expansion of the mill industry, the baking industry, the soft drink industry, the move from farms to cities.

This rule has been shown to hold true with previously untainted/primitive cultures when they take on a western diet...20 years after they have heart disease and colon cancer. Heart disease and colon cancers are/were practically unheard of among primitive/unWesternized societies.
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